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The other day a male youtuber Charlie McDonnell released a video where he comes out by saying "I'm a women now" to much fanfare and praise from his followers. Its just uncritically accepted that he can simply choose to now magically be a woman.

Now I don't believe you can change sex and I don't believe in gender woo but I am curious what drives this assumption that one can change sex, what motivates these people? Is it internalised homophobia meaning young gay men and women feel more comfortable with saying they are trans than saying they are gay? Is it autogynaphilia or porn sickness? Is it social contagion, or just another fad with dire consequences?

Is it a young person with the depression and anxiety so common in the the modern age casting around for anything to make them feel better? Is it a way to stay relevent or gain kudos from a peer group or fanbase?

I'm just confused, what does the science say and why is what was once a very rare form of dysphoria now increasingly common?

The other day a male youtuber Charlie McDonnell released a video where he comes out by saying "I'm a women now" to much fanfare and praise from his followers. Its just uncritically accepted that he can simply choose to now magically be a woman. Now I don't believe you can change sex and I don't believe in gender woo but I am curious what drives this assumption that one can change sex, what motivates these people? Is it internalised homophobia meaning young gay men and women feel more comfortable with saying they are trans than saying they are gay? Is it autogynaphilia or porn sickness? Is it social contagion, or just another fad with dire consequences? Is it a young person with the depression and anxiety so common in the the modern age casting around for anything to make them feel better? Is it a way to stay relevent or gain kudos from a peer group or fanbase? I'm just confused, what does the science say and why is what was once a very rare form of dysphoria now increasingly common?

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A lot of people here gave some very jaded albeit probably very accurate responses, but i also want to point that i think some of them might feel like they have richer, more complex emotional experiences than other boys, and have bought in to the misogynistic idea that only women have complex emotions.

[–] Philogynist 🦋🌍🍃 15 points

Wow that's fantastic perspective and one I hadn't considered before.

"I'm not like other boys"

That sounds pretty narcissistic to me its just a variation of "I'm special" I know lots of young people have those feelings but its still no excuse.

I have a background in activism/music and I know atleast 12 guys who used to present as typical hetero guys who in mid 2010s all came out as trans. Being oppressed is currency, I think they were jealous of the attention that women/POC musicians got and have romanticized view of oppression. Also a lot of these guys were never the masculine ideal so they were bullied as kids etc and wore like black lipstick and eyeliner sometimes. So they suffered but weren’t allowed to say they suffered because they were “straight white men”. Now all the sudden they can opt in to oppression, their bands get more attention, they can say they’re the biggest truest victims on a hero’s journey to abolish the cis oppressors. They were t wearing black lipstick because they were goth they were women this whole time! I do believe that gender dysphoria is a real condition that people experience but I have a hard time believing half my social group all genuinely struggle with their gender identity.

Any time the attention is taken away from men they'll find a way to get it back.

Really interesting take, I think you are right its just a way for them to center themselves and as they don't really even need to do "anything" to be trans its probably a no brainer for them.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 4 points

It’s not “dysphoria”, it’s pornsick misogyny.

I've just had an exchange with a TRA on twitter, he didn't appear to be trans says he is a married father but seemed to lose his shit posting "MYTH ALERT" every time I talked about AGP's, porn sickness, or how these tims always present with a cartoonish version of femininity straight from porn that has nothing to do with actually being a woman. Then I had a look at his profile and in his likes was loads of obvious agps and it all became clear, he is defending trans rights because this misogynistic shit gets him off, he's probably a closet agp himself, god help his poor wife and kids, he looked about the right age to be announcing to them soon he's always felt like a woman inside. I guess the wives of all these TRA's should be preparing for the worst, porn has eaten their husband's brains.

[–] hmimperialtortie AGP = evil 1 points

It’s so true, these men utterly hate women. Some of them may hate themselves as well, but I’m sick to death of hearing about “dysphoria” wrt TIMs.

[–] Philogynist 🦋🌍🍃 12 points Edited

I think it can be a result of a lot of different things.

  • I think some men genuinely have sex dysphoria which also may or may not be caused by some of the below:

  • Some men never fit in with boys growing up or other men due to patriarchal structures and male on male violence, so their mind processes this as "they're treating me like women therefore I am one".

  • Some men have BPD/an unstable sense of identity and this gives them that.

  • Some grew up in religious cults they now reject, but the way their brains were developed still exists, so the gender norms, misogyny, and homophobia present in how they percieved their worlds from a religious lens just manifests in a different way.

  • autogynephilia

  • Some men who are straight have harmless but atypical ways in which their sexuality is expressed in a het space (why do we never see straight men in booty shorts who have outwardly submissive behavior trying to pick up women in straight bars?). Thus this internal mismatch between their sex, sexual orientation, and ways in which they express their sexuality (and how these things conflict with heteronormative/straight culture) makes them feel this means they're women.

  • Social contagion

  • Some of these men had parents who indoctrinated them into it

  • Some men are actually bisexual or gay but have internalized homiphobia and this dichotomy presents as "I must be a woman then"

  • Some men genuinely relate more to women and our experiences and again process this as "I must be a woman".

  • etc.

It's porn brain rot, plain and simple

I did think it curious that this suddenly became a "thing" after 20 odd years of limitless, extreme pornography has been available for free online. Some guys must have literal mush for brains.

Some? Healthy young men unable to work due to addiction issues and porn-sickness is a pandemic at this point. Their cognitive abilities are degenerating as well, and many are turning more violent. It's a real problem, and it will get worse.

It's easily solved though, we could just remove the easy availability of internet porn. We have the technology to do it.

I totally agree, it should be banned. Its funny how the government so desperate to get people into work have failed to spot this connection and are instead trying to push the disabled and elderly into work rather than these able bodied young men?

I've asked a lot of them that, in a genuinely open minded and curious way, on reddit/Twitter/etc. The answer is never coherent. In my experience** it has always boiled down to "I have an emotion that I call 'feeling like a woman.'**"

When asked what that feeling actually is, it's often "gender euphoria" i.e. a feeling of sexual excitement from wearing women's clothes and/or putting on makeup and/or doing activities that they associate with women.

I have on occasion pointed out that women don't actually feel that way, in other words that feeling is not correctly described as "feeling like a woman," but it won't surprise anyone here that that comment generally meets with hostile retorts (I'm transphobic, how dare I gatekeep what feelings are "feeling like a woman"), and me getting blocked.

Another common answer is that they "feel like their true selves" when wearing women's clothes, vs. they feel "dysphoric" when contemplating themselves as a man. Again, not a feeling that women normally have.

[–] BlueToyotaTacoma I post shit 13 points

I'm just confused, what does the science say and why is what was once a very rare form of dysphoria now increasingly common?

Because it’s not dysphoria in most cases. They just either have a fetish or want to get attention, or they just might not feel like they fit in with most men.

Honestly, I think experimenting with wanting to be the opposite sex is far more common than we’d think. However it does not always mean dysphoria like lots of these people are making it out to be. I don’t believe that “trans” is an actual thing because it would imply that someone is literally trapped in the wrong body which we know isn’t ever the case. I think there are just GNC people who internalize society’s gender based expectations so much that they feel uncomfortable in their own skin. This would account for the very small percentage of people who are the closest thing to “real” trans.

But I have browsed a lot of TIM subreddits and most of the “dysphoria” on there can be written off as a fetish.

"But I have browsed a lot of TIM subreddits and most of the “dysphoria” on there can be written off as a fetish"

You're a braver woman than me, but I know you are right I've see the term euphoria boner used a lot, and isn't that just proof that its sexually motivated?

[–] BlueToyotaTacoma I post shit 5 points

Exactly. “Euphoria boner” just means they’re getting sexually aroused by their dress-up and larping. There are even posts from them saying “ladeez I get hard when I wear my spinny skirt is it just a fetish??” and of course others in the comments saying “that’s the trans girl experience, sister!”

Makes me sick.

[–] SlowCollapse 7 points Edited

It's a political identity and/or subculture at this point. So all it takes is 'I want to join rainbow club and help the cool kids fight the oppressive older generations! Maybe it'll help me get laid, too!'

[–] sarstan 17 points Edited

Men get an erection and jerk off to thinking of themselves as a woman, albeit a woman from porn. That's "gender euphoria" and that's what they mean.

[–] Faustina [OP] 12 points Edited

Gross, they reduce an entire sex of people to getting their sexual kicks. I find it extremely offensive that these men motivated by a fetish or some kind of financial opportunism, wear woman-face, say "I'm a woman now" and are met with the approval of fawning useful idiots.

they reduce an entire sex of people to getting their sexual kicks

It's just the newest form of the same thing that's been happening for millennia. This is what men are.

Its almost everything you said plus one other thing that is normaly overlooked. You got this modern society, that really pleases no one, we got not a strong identity or social groups. You feel unhappy and unworthy, are lonely and has some degree of dismorphia. What is easier to try to make yourself a better person, put in doubt your past and decide you didn't take the best decisions or decide all your problems, all the things you didn't like its becuase destiny put you in the wrong body? The later is 1) not your fault 2) shields you from any responsability, past, present and future 3) gives you an "identity" 4) makes you so so very special...

So its also the ultimate escapisim? No wonder so many male sexual offenders suddenly discover they are trans!

There’s this tumblr text post that’s like

Non-binary women: I’m non-binary i can finally cut my hair

Non-binary men: I’m non-binary stop talking about my DV arrests

an extra reason you didn’t include in your post is sick males trying to shield themselves from rightful criticism with the sacred caste of trans. They know not only are they obfuscating their male pattern behavior with a false label, but that many women won’t want to deal with the social backlash of calling out a TIM.

Non-binary women: I’m non-binary i can finally cut my hair

Non-binary men: I’m non-binary stop talking about my DV arrests

This made me lol actually!

Yeah I am seeing the shielding with the sacred caste of trans playing out in the Adam Graham rape case in Glasgow right now, he's been remanded to a women's prison, its enough to make you sick with anger.

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