Many of us have been in this fight for nearly a decade or more now. I know it feels like forever to me. I have been having the same arguments with the other side over and over again and it's gotten to the point where I won't bother to interact with anyone who has been pro-trans for more than a year because the chances of us both just having the same circular conversations we've had a thousand times before is too great to exert much energy on it again. Both sides see the futility of it all so we just block and move on.
But now the general population is waking up. There is a new audience that has never heard our logical arguments, and who is open to hearing our views. We can't rest now. We need to take a deep breath and start from the beginning again. We need to get back to basics in reiterating our views. Discussions we figured we had won years ago will need to be brought up again, not as ideas that we want to convince them of, but as items we can present as facts this time.
Where before we were arguing with pro-trans people about whether some men can become women and addressing all their usual lunacy, this time we need to start conversations with newcomers with the fact that human beings cannot change sex and go from there.
"We all know human beings cannot change sex regardless of medical interventions or what a person feels their soul to be, right? Therefore men can never be considered to be women in any circumstances." We need to keep it that simple.
The demented arguments the transborg used to bring up (clownfish, the clitoris is just a micro-penis, born in the wrong body) are not talking points likely to come up with normal people. The average man and woman on the street aren't stupid. They want to be kind but not at the expense of reality, and especially not at the expense of the safety of children. (that's one thing that will swing this our way quickly - trans largely aren't parents, and parents will do anything to protect their kids).
This time we can control the narrative, because the debate has been blown open by recent very public events (YMCAs with men flashing girls in the women's showers, the madness in Scotland, etc) so we can talk about this stuff openly. We can even pretend we have only just become aware of the situation ourselves and make all the great points that we have honed over the years to make the logic sound fresh.
I really think we are on the downhill run now, but we can't sit back and enjoy the ride. We have to make one last push so the momentum outruns us and we have to step out of the way of our own success. I truly believe 2023 is the year we win.
The problem is that "winning" against the trans agenda is going to mean a fuckload of backlash against women's rights and gay rights.
Trans activists successfully parasitized mainstream LGBT and feminist activism. Look at the number of people who attribute the Hogwarts Legacy freakout to "SJWs and feminists."
Normies often make no distinction. They think "radical feminist" means "extremely angry person who talks about gender." They think "queer community" applies to actual gay people as much as it does to the danger-hairs and the spicy straights. They lump us all together.
The worst part about trans ideology, to me, is that it is oppressive and regressive sexism that has so successfully rebranded itself as "progressive" that the backlash against it will likely be mostly conservative. Which is to say, oppressive and regressive sexism. The pendulum used to swing between conservative and liberal when it came to gender issues, and now I fear it's simply going to swing between two different brands of misogyny.
Agree 100%. Most of the TIMs are misogynistic homophobes so they’re happy to throw us under the bus to achieve their goals. Win-win for them. They can always take off their dresses when the backlash comes.
So far this year:
The backlash against "Isla" Bryson has forced Sturgeon into a humiliating U-turn
Police Scotland has defied guidelines and referred to that scumbag who abducted that poor girl by his real name, describing him as a man
UK Athletics have announced that they do not agree with TIMs playing in the women's division
Several professional surfers have spoken out against TIMs' eligibility for women's sport
Despite pressure for a boycott, Hogwarts Legacy has broken records
And we're not even halfway through February. If I were a TRA, I'd be getting a sinking feeling.
Needed this positivity tonight! I think the release of the Harry Potter game has dragged a lot of ugliness to light. Just the nasty, childish and downright unhinged behavior of TRAs has been on full display and none of them have a firm enough grasp on reality to read the room.
A lot of people who have been largely oblivious to this stuff up until this point are taking note that there is a feminist who throws her endless money at good causes all day, every day, and a bunch of crybullies who twist her reasonable and COMMONLY SHARED stance into hate and bigotry, somehow. It seems insane to die on this hill; none of us are surprised that they’re going for the bait like a raging bull charging at a red cape, but plenty of normal casual allies I know are appalled at the behavior of their poor vulnerable twans relatives and friends.
One of my friends messaged saying she’s on the fence about Rowling’s words still, but her non-binary niece has been beastly online and is proud of her campaign of hatred and abuse. My friend still believes in true trans and thinks that womanhood is “something you feel deep inside”, but has at least reached the conclusion that non-binary and bespoke pronouns are BS. She’s on her way to peaking fully and I’m here for all the things she says she can’t say to anyone else because they would surely despise her, in spite of knowing her and benefitting from her time and finances and emotional labor for DECADES.
They leverage all kinds of reaching accusations at her. It’s going to be hard for liberals to accept that they’ve been manipulated.
Maybe in the UK but not here in the US of A.
It’s happening here too. American women are standing up for themselves on TikTok. The whistleblower in Missouri has prompted a state investigation into the care of kids and teenagers. A well known professional surfer is boycotting her sport to draw attention to the insanity happening to female athletes. The Equality Act has been abandoned by the Dems.
The change is occurring less dramatically over here, but it’s nothing to sleep on.
IDK. For me in the US these still just feel like small wins. Our liberal legacy MSM are hellbent on not giving any cover to any of it. They're simply doing UnInformation while accusing right-wing media of Misinformation/Disinformation. I really hate how this shitty topic is being politicized and thus dumbed down into left vs. right. It means a large swath of the public will immediately turn their brains off and believe and side with whichever tribe they belong.
Yes! Liberals are mostly completely unaware of what’s going on when they don’t even hear about it, or reduce it to Republican lies.
I don’t see how things can change when they don’t even know?
Well, I’m not measuring change based on MSM coverage, since that stopped being an reliable indicator of public sentiment ages ago.
I’m talking about actual developments that seemed improbable even last year. Chloe Cole is suing Kaiser for instance. Acts of bravery from American women should not be overlooked, is all I’m saying. I think we have turned a corner in this culture war even if we are far from victorious.
Yeah we still have our work cut out for us in the US, mostly due to the political polarization but we will still prevail. Gender ideology is not sustainable and will do itself in.
At the moment, I don't even think political polarization is our biggest problem.
"Profits" are the biggest problem, and that money is driving politics.
...or any country that's not English-speaking. Here, it's only starting.
Argentina and most latin american countries are controlled by the USA so neither here :(
I do feel the tide is turning, especially after The Great Scottish U-Turn of 2023!
I recommend using leading thinking questions and comments.
Ex. “Pregnant bodies” is in the news, turn to the nearest man and ask if they can get pregnant too, now.
I do think you’re right, and I have thought this for the last couple of months, but I had an intense discussion today with an intelligent and thoughtful woman with a background in social work who said that there is absolutely no way any TIP in the US has not gone through a multi-year, multi-step diagnostic protocol to get even basic medical care and that in fact the process is so long and involved that many trans people have no choice but to get hormones etc any way they can.
Honestly, I’m still scratching my head. I should recognize that my presence here means I’ve ingested a lot of non-main stream information but I’m baffled. It’s not that hard to do a little research and see that “affirmation only” has been entrenched in the US for years now.
So thank you for the encouragement. I felt like a failed rad fem for not getting through, but I’ll keep my chin up and plug away where I can.
I hope you are right. I think you are right.
Thanks for the positive outlook, and the encouragement to get over the last hurdle.
I so hope you're right. It does feel like we've been doing this forever. It's been building incrementally in the U.S., but I think the Jamie Reed affidavit is going to be a tipping point.
Anyone in the UK needs to get on with emailing MPs about the conversion therapy bill to point out the huge problems with it. Add links to detransers stories, thoughtful therapists, ACP etc. Copy in Kemi.
They are def pushing ahead with this, needs us not to rest back.
I keep seeing more rational talk and push back about the TRAs demands. It gives me hope.