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[–] TheRoyalJesterf 45 points (+45|-0)

Saving this post and adding it to my calendar to reread every fucking year to see how many years it takes us to get out of this insanity.

[–] Barfbin 38 points (+38|-0)

People are often telling us the trans debate “isn’t that big of a deal” and we should focus on other things. It really upsets me that they think women not having a word, the legal protections women fought for, a movement for women (since women are unnamable and can’t have their own spaces or groups), and other issues isn’t a big deal.

[–] madderthanhell 33 points (+33|-0)

Brilliantly captures the chilling ethos of the time we're living through.

[–] Lioness 31 points (+32|-1)

It’s like living in Trump-ruled America. Just as soon as you think things are too far and people won’t have it - it becomes the new normal. It’s hard having faith, but I really have to. There will be a future that isn’t revolving around men’s ability to get rich or get off... I just hope it comes in my lifetime.

[–] AlwayswithWings 7 points (+9|-2)

The sad thing is, it's the Democrats that are pushing this stupid trans bullshit, not Trump, shitty as he is.

[–] crodish 29 points (+29|-0)

True dystopia. ): I thought the future was supposed to be brighter.

[–] How 17 points (+17|-0)

The future was brighter. Year after year it got better. Until it didn't.

I think nearly all the progress women have made in the past twenty to thirty years is the legacy of the work of second-wave feminists in the 70s...speaks ill of what is to come in the next twenty to thirty years as we'll be dealing with the anti-feminist legacy of the gender identity + "choice" portion of third wave activism. Even if we correct course now...we'll still be dealing with the negative ramifications of what they did for years to come.

[–] gcfemale 12 points (+12|-0)

And when men ask us why women weren't able to speak, we will show them the violence that followed when we did try to.

[–] JLeGuin 6 points (+6|-0)

Damn... Makes me want to start collecting a timeline of when and how these things shifted....

[–] TheRoyalJesterf 11 points (+11|-0)

I'd be curious, too. I'd love to use the Wayback Machine or something to figure out approximately when so many women's interests groups and organizations and websites started calling us all "uterus havers" and shit like that.

[–] Les 5 points (+5|-0)

Most of it has happened somewhere in the last 10 years. There were efforts made previously, but never on this scale. It wasn't until a few years ago that it started to spread into the mainstream though.

If you want to create a really thorough timeline I think following the money is never a bad idea.

[–] Eruca 2 points (+2|-0)

My oldest recollection is of the Midwives' Association probably in the early 10s. I may have the name wrong. Possibly someone else, with a better memory could recall.

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0)

Chaz Bono saying testosterone made her feel irritated at women’s voices and made her feel “sharper” was during an interview on NPR’s Talk of the Nation in 2011. I remember very clearly that the interviewer and callers didn’t call out the obvious misogyny. That was my first inkling that there was a very sexist movement afoot and no one was questioning it on the left.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

This American Life had a story on a TIF in 2002. I remember she seemed very sexist.

[–] JLeGuin 1 points (+1|-0)

This one? https://www.thisamericanlife.org/190/living-the-dream

They also ahd an episode with one of those "part timers" or whatever. Changing gender based on week or time of day or whatever.

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

I think that’s the one about two little boys with gender dysphoria. If I remember correctly, the boy in the family that didn’t “affirm” outgrew it and became a gay young man. The family that affirmed was going to suppress their son’s puberty.

The TIF one I’m thinking of was in an episode about testosterone

[–] [Deleted] 2 points (+2|-0)

Episode 190 of This American Life is about two trans identifying boys and it aired in Aug 2001. I think that’s the first I heard of puberty blockers.

[–] JLeGuin 1 points (+1|-0)

oh damn I don't remember that episode. I don't remember when this came onto my radar because there didn't seem like there was anything weird about being GNC to me - like I went to alt clubs as a teenager a couple decades back, where sometimes people asked me if I was trans, and I don't remember really caring or thinking much about it - so no "Aha" moment - I remember "preferred prounouns" and pronoun circles from about 5-6 years ago...

Who wrote that?

[–] Medusa 3 points (+3|-0)

I would love to know, as well. This is superb and I hope to read more from this brilliant woman!

[–] KarousTattoos 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

It was Barracker, in a thread on Mumsnet in March. The full comment is here.

She also wrote an excellent piece on the real problem with us being forced to use she for men claiming womanhood called Pronouns are Rohypnol.

[–] Avadavat 3 points (+3|-0)

This is chilling. Who knew that when people recently started to say "The future is female," men would so quickly appropriate the words "female" and "woman," take them on for themselves, and severely restrict girls' and women's ability to successfully use them to politically organize?

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