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Here's the ranting prompt. https://imgur.com/fIr8XlV

Here's the rant: If I didn't peak by randomly watching Nikkie Tutorials 'coming out' video, then 'Elliot' Page's interview would have definitely peaked me.

I peaked because Nikkie said he always knew he was a woman because he always liked 'wearing pink, and dolls, and whatnot". Then I did some digging around the word terf and whoopsie a baby terf was born. Glad to have found you.

Anyways, this Eliot Page coming out thing... Here's what I got thrown at me in my youth " You drink from a glass like a man, you ride a bicycle like a man (???), you never want to wear high heels, why don't you let your hair grow, be more like a girl, you can't be a mechanic that's a man's job, why are you sitting like a man?, a woman with short hair??? are you sure you are a woman?, you only buy/wear pants... " to name a few.

The only time I 'wanted' to be a man was when I was about 4-5 years old and I wanted the convenience of peeing while standing up. That's it. Over the years I've never felt drawn to stereotypes of what it means to be a woman, and even though I was behaving unconventionally and even though everyone around me told me I'm not 'lady like", I stuck to it. I knew I was a woman, I can't exaggerate this one loud enough. I never gave into anything stereotypical of my sex, but even though I was wearing baggy clothes, even though I had 0 make up on I still experienced misogyny, I've experienced sexual assault when I was 18 while idly staring at my computer screen wearing a hoodie.

So, I just want to thank Ellen Page for 'opening' my eyes by telling me that I was a man all along. Freaking sellout.

Here's the ranting prompt. https://imgur.com/fIr8XlV Here's the rant: If I didn't peak by randomly watching Nikkie Tutorials 'coming out' video, then 'Elliot' Page's interview would have definitely peaked me. I peaked because Nikkie said he always knew he was a woman because he always liked 'wearing pink, and dolls, and whatnot". Then I did some digging around the word terf and whoopsie a baby terf was born. Glad to have found you. Anyways, this Eliot Page coming out thing... Here's what I got thrown at me in my youth " You drink from a glass like a man, you ride a bicycle like a man (???), you never want to wear high heels, why don't you let your hair grow, be more like a girl, you can't be a mechanic that's a man's job, why are you sitting like a man?, a woman with short hair??? are you sure you are a woman?, you only buy/wear pants... " to name a few. The only time I 'wanted' to be a man was when I was about 4-5 years old and I wanted the convenience of peeing while standing up. That's it. Over the years I've never felt drawn to stereotypes of what it means to be a woman, and even though I was behaving unconventionally and even though everyone around me told me I'm not 'lady like", I stuck to it. I knew I was a woman, I can't exaggerate this one loud enough. I never gave into anything stereotypical of my sex, but even though I was wearing baggy clothes, even though I had 0 make up on I still experienced misogyny, I've experienced sexual assault when I was 18 while idly staring at my computer screen wearing a hoodie. So, I just want to thank Ellen Page for 'opening' my eyes by telling me that I was a man all along. Freaking sellout.

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[–] questioningtw 54 points (+54|-0)

How in ever loving hell do you drink from a glass like a man? I am also so goddamn sick of everyone pretending that only men want jobs in the trades. There ARE women mechanics and these people need to STFU with their nonsence of of course I am a man! I hate dresses, like cars, like guy music and have short hair!

[–] bornwithovaries 70 points (+70|-0)

You stick your dick in the glass and slurp it up just like a straw.

[–] PeakyLen 17 points (+17|-0)

Oh Christ I just snorted coffee out of my nose. Comments like that need a warning please. 😂

[–] questioningtw 13 points (+14|-1)

I was more thinking, you drink a can in one gulp and then smash it on your head!

Drink like a man...smh I don't even beleive anyone said that too her, hence my absurd example.

Reminds me of Cheery Littlebottom in Feet of Clay saying she hates having to quaff ale. 😆

I'm not exaggerating, it's true, I was about 12 or something and I vividly remember it because my aunt was so mad at me for 'drinking (water) like a man', I also vividly remember not understanding what that meant and why she was so upset.

[–] Vacatio-Legis [OP] 20 points (+20|-0) Edited

I don't know, apparently I drink from a glass like a man. Sorry to break it to ya, but we should gather round and announce our "coming out as men" party.

[–] goneharolding 12 points (+12|-0)

Well everyone knows ladies naturally drink with their dainty pinkies in the air! Dexterity is a masculine thing, obviously!

Lol

[–] Tnetennba 2 points (+2|-0)

I've been told I drink like a duck. Which clinic do I go to for my trans duck surgery?

You put your lips on the glass to create a seal in order to drink.

REAL women don't do that, or it will ruin their lipstick.

I fucking hate that I do understand what it is to drink "like a man..."

[–] questioningtw 2 points (+2|-0)

Oh, I guess I drink like a man too then:( This just makes me even MORE annoyed at Ellen Page.

[–] tamata 🍅 35 points (+35|-0)

Women are only women when they wear nothing but pink, frilly dresses, wear their hair silky and long, and lift their pinky when they are holding their teacup, didn't you know? Congratulations on discovering your male privilege OP ❤

[–] questioningtw 18 points (+18|-0)

Oh of course! If you want to see how men and women really are watch Ruby Roses break free when she stilll ided as genderfluid. You will learn that women have long hair and nailpolish, have gold purses and almost zero personality; men however have short hair and tattoos, and are BOISTEROUS! How dare TERFS say we reinforce toxic gender roles!

[–] tamata 🍅 15 points (+15|-0)

Absolutely! Men say bad words and are big and confident, and women are so teeny weeny and weak and can't even open a jar of pickles without getting into a giggling fit and fainting on the spot, tee hee! I love my puny girl brain! 🤭💖🦄🧸 Sorry, I could do this forever

[–] questioningtw 13 points (+13|-0)

Did you know only men whistle! One reason you know Jo in Little Women was really a boy was she whistled! I gotta say, Iam so glad trans people are here to let us now how weak, silly and dumb us ladies are!

[–] PeakyLen 24 points (+24|-0)

How did we get from responding to these types of comments by thinking "so what if I'm not stereotypically lady like?" to thinking "oh I don't fit the feminine stereotype so I must be a man".

Rhetorical question, I get why we're here, but it still baffles me that so many people can't see through this bullshit.

[–] XX_Power surf and terf 12 points (+12|-0)

I'm also baffled. I was pretty GNC and generally perceived as "manly". My friends would joke that I'm a man, and manlier than my male friends.

I never even considered that any of this made me somehow not a woman. Today they'd probably ask me if I'm trans.

Today they'd probably ask me if I'm trans.

They would, and if you were young enough and heard this nonsense they're pushing often enough, you'd likely believe it.

[–] XX_Power surf and terf 4 points (+4|-0)

Absolutely and that's one reason why this touches me so much personally.

What scares me is that I heard the same things when I was a kid and a teenager - that I walked and dressed like a boy. Now, I’d get asked if I was trans not only by my friends, but by my school teachers and counselors if I went to them for being bullied.

And if I said, no, I just dress like this/walk like this, but I’m still a girl. There’s a good chance they’d go on with, “But are you sure?” until I’d finally give in and say yes.

Sometimes I wonder if I were the same age now, and was just a tomboyish “ugly” girl, still bullied, if I’d get the same reaction - no one would give a shit. I’d go to school administration, and they’d roll their eyes at me again. Who wants this ugly, whiny kid in their office. But if I said I’m being bullied because I’m trans, I wonder if it would be different. People would care. Now I’m not just an “ugly”, awkward girl, now I’m someone who matters. Then I wonder if everyone would jump to attention and it would be a huge fucking deal.

So I wonder if it happened now, if I would honestly be tempted.

Because

“Ugly” awkward girl gets bullied - this shit happens all the time, get over it, you’re gross anyway, maybe this wouldn’t happen if you weren’t so weird. A lot of this is on you you know.

Trans boy gets bullied - ohmygosh this has to be stopped. This kid has to be kept safe. I’m sending out an email to all administrators and teachers to keep an eye out on all your classes and even in the cafeteria - anywhere on campus- to make sure no one says anything cruel to you.

I went off on a tangent, sorry.

I do know of at least one instance in which parents had to discipline a teacher because she was convinced their kid was trans and kept trying to talk the kid into it. The child developed severe anxiety as as result.

[–] XX_Power surf and terf 1 points (+1|-0)

Oh i get you! I was also bullied as a young teen and the trans stuff may have been alluring

[–] DebraKadabra 20 points (+20|-0)

Y'know, I got annoyed enough getting asked if I was a lesbian growing up. When it was relatives, it wasn't so bad because my family are sweet people who were just ready to love me up and support me. And they didn't ask me, they asked my mom LOL. When classmates asked it was a pejorative, which made me feel bad for the girls who actually were lesbians.

I'm tired of this gendered shit. It has nothing to do with anything. I just liked boy stuff and caught on early that most of the girls' toys were "chore-themed." What the hell does that have to do with sexuality and whatever the fuck gender is?

So what would be the next step if I realized, well, I'm not comfortable as a girl, but now I have to work on MORE shit to be a boy in addition to collecting Hot Wheels? So I either have to work hard at suppressing the boy things or enhancing the boy things. Fucking stupid.

[–] ComplicatedSpirit 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

most of the girls' toys were "chore-themed."

Holy shit I don’t think I’ve ever quite really thought about this before. But you’re right.

How come boys don’t get toys like lawnmowers and rakes, to pretend to do yard work? They make kids’ rakes to do ACTUAL yard work, but not just “here’s a rake for practice for when you grow up and have a real yard”, like the little pots and pans and vacuums and baby dolls girls get.

The closest thing they get is little fake tool sets, maybe. But that’s nothing compared to the mass of fake cleaning sets, play kitchens, baby dolls with all sorts of functions that require care- like feeding and wetting and even just flat-out crying, fake shopping carts, etc.

[–] Banshee 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

While there are many things I despise about transgenderism, TRAs targeting tomboys is one of the things that I find most personally offensive.

When I was I child I liked both feminine and masculine clothes and toys. When I was a teenager, I was a firm tomboy. I enjoyed baggy t-shirts, cargo pants and combat boots. The only skirt I owned was the one I had to wear for special school ceremonies (I was a model student, so I obeyed the dress code). I didn't wear make-up and I listened exclusively to rock music. In my 20s I balanced out again and to this day I would say I'm 50% feminine, 50% masculine. None of this makes me any less of a woman.

But then, I'm sure that if I was in the libfem environment, there would be someone who tried to convince me I'm genderfluid (or some other weird term) and should start using some funny pronouns.

TRAs love their gender stereotypes so much that sometimes it's hard for me to see the difference between them and patriarchy.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor BigGameteEnergy 6 points (+6|-0)

Yeah, I've always felt kinda 50/50. I've always worn "boys" clothes as well as "girls" clothes, I always played video games but also loved painting and writing kitschy romance stories, I've worn my hair very short and very long, I've had a emo/goth phase, I've had a "hoodie and jeans" phase, I've worn lots of makeup and none at all, I'm a programmer but also sew and bake in my free time. It's almost like... idk... people can be multiple things at once and neiter your biological sex nor some kind of gender soul predetermines all of your likes and dislikes? And no, dear TRAs, I'm not "genderfluid", I'm just a person. And while there's people with a more pronounced masculine or feminine leaning, they're still people who have things about them which don't fit their "gender".

"just a person" -> sure you don't want to tack on a new adjective for every hobby, fashion choice, and personality trait you have that could possibly be gendered? More words = more validity, you know.

Also, I love your flair.

TRAs love their gender stereotypes so much that sometimes it's hard for me to see the difference between them and patriarchy.

They ARE the patriarchy.

[–] Mika17 14 points (+14|-0)

Good god... Smdh.... I'm so glad I was raised before all of this bs bc I was a full on tomboy when I was younger.... I'm 1000000000000% sure if raised in this environment today they would have tried to trans me.

Do they not realize they are just reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes that back in the day feminists have worked so hard to try and break down?! ?! 😩😩😩 A girl who likes to play in the dirt climb trees work on cars and take boxing classes is still a girl for ffs!

I remember the whole Nikkie Tutorials drama in the Dutch press. No idea what the coming out was about, so I watched the video with an open mind and wondered why he was coming out as trans, since the fact that he was a man was obvious within the very first second.

As for Ellen Page. That woman is/will be (partly) responsible for some very real damage to baby butches and other lesbian girls.

[–] BluecatSarah 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

Someone: “You don’t look like a feminist” Me: “Shhh! I’m undercover!”

(Sometime in the 1980s).

Can I just say high heels suck, I don't understand how anyone finds them comfortable, and I'm actively investigating flat shoes that will go with a bridal dress because I don't want to spend my wedding day thinking about my sore feet.

I recommend a 'kitten heel' style- its basically a scaled down high heel, only about an inch high, more elegant and actually more comfortable than a ballerina style flat.

[–] goatsauce 2 points (+2|-0)

Betsey Johnson has a line of bridal/formal shoes that includes a lot of beautiful flats and sandals, or for a more luxe option, Badgley Mischka has a ton of really beautiful flat bridal shoes. High heels have really gone out of fashion in the last decade, so finding flats is way easier now than ever before.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor BigGameteEnergy 2 points (+2|-0)

For more festive occasions I have a couple nice pairs of loafers. They have "more heel" than ballerina flats but they're not bending your foot into uncomfortable positions. Pumps with a low wedge heel might also be an option, I've seen fancy ones.

[–] sineadsiobhan 7 points (+7|-0)

I was a huge tomboy when I was younger. I loved my short hair and thought the boys clothes were more comfortable than the girls clothes. I loved cars and dinosaurs and even had a massive baseball hat collection.

I’ve been married for 13 years to a man and have a toddler daughter, who I’m raising to be gender non-conforming as well, ignoring the gendered toys and clothes (ie I buy something from both sections, she would have a “boy” top with “girl” leggings and look really stylish!). She absolutely loves playing with her dolls and her cars. She also plays with the dinosaurs I had as a child.

The one thing that really annoyed me about Ellen’s interview was her saying she had an enormous panic attack about being told to wear a dress on the red carpet. I knew, off the top of my head, that women have worn trouser suits on the red carpet (Diane Keaton is a famous example) including Ellen Page herself.

It doesn’t feel genuine. It feels like she transed in order for young people to have a young “trans role model.” She could barely look at Oprah. She was doing a quick interview with the Umbrella Academy cast and they called her Elliot, people said she smiled at being called her new name but it was almost like a forced smile, not a happy one at all.

I’m actually questioning if she’s even trans at all. Some things just don’t add up.

[–] KBash 3 points (+3|-0)

I agree that she seems incredibly unhappy and it makes me really uneasy. And her answers are so incredibly scripted. It’s like she’s badly playing a part which isn’t even entirely her fault because the writing is so cliched.

Could be she was told to do it for PR (meaning PR for transgenders, not PR for Ellen herself).

She could still have her breasts. The whole thing could be fake.

We'll never know.

[–] sineadsiobhan 1 points (+1|-0)

I was wondering this, if you look at her clothing, her shirt is quite big on her but there’s glimpses of a white undergarment every time she moved her body a bit.

I’m wondering if it’s a binder.

Then again when I had my breast augmentation surgery, I wore a binder type garment to keep the shape of my breasts consistent (only around my chest, not like a tank top). I’ve seen double mastectomies on TIFs and they wear bandaging around their chest, not binders.

[–] goatsauce 2 points (+2|-0)

She's not trans, she's just in the midst of a mental health crisis and all these outlets are taking advantage. She presents all of this as if she's never had an ounce of agency in the matter, as if she couldn't have refused to wear the dress to a premiere or whatever, or that there were just simply no other options. I get that when she was a closeted lesbian, she probably felt that she had to play the feminine game harder to stay in the closet, but if that were the case, then it's still a reaction to homophobia and the era when her career was at its peak.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor BigGameteEnergy 6 points (+6|-0)

The same people who are saying TiMs shouldn't be excluded from womanhood even if they have masculine features are also saying that actual masculine women are just trans men in denial and should seek transition. You can't have it both ways, dear TRAs. Either womanhood is broad enough of a category that it includes whole-ass males (and they sure love to point out masculine features in women which are basically the same as male bodies, amirite), and then butches/tomboys are just as womanly, or you want to say anyone who isn't feminine isn't truly a woman, and then you need to exclude any trans woman who doesn't pass.

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