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Here's the ranting prompt. https://imgur.com/fIr8XlV

Here's the rant: If I didn't peak by randomly watching Nikkie Tutorials 'coming out' video, then 'Elliot' Page's interview would have definitely peaked me.

I peaked because Nikkie said he always knew he was a woman because he always liked 'wearing pink, and dolls, and whatnot". Then I did some digging around the word terf and whoopsie a baby terf was born. Glad to have found you.

Anyways, this Eliot Page coming out thing... Here's what I got thrown at me in my youth " You drink from a glass like a man, you ride a bicycle like a man (???), you never want to wear high heels, why don't you let your hair grow, be more like a girl, you can't be a mechanic that's a man's job, why are you sitting like a man?, a woman with short hair??? are you sure you are a woman?, you only buy/wear pants... " to name a few.

The only time I 'wanted' to be a man was when I was about 4-5 years old and I wanted the convenience of peeing while standing up. That's it. Over the years I've never felt drawn to stereotypes of what it means to be a woman, and even though I was behaving unconventionally and even though everyone around me told me I'm not 'lady like", I stuck to it. I knew I was a woman, I can't exaggerate this one loud enough. I never gave into anything stereotypical of my sex, but even though I was wearing baggy clothes, even though I had 0 make up on I still experienced misogyny, I've experienced sexual assault when I was 18 while idly staring at my computer screen wearing a hoodie.

So, I just want to thank Ellen Page for 'opening' my eyes by telling me that I was a man all along. Freaking sellout.

Here's the ranting prompt. https://imgur.com/fIr8XlV Here's the rant: If I didn't peak by randomly watching Nikkie Tutorials 'coming out' video, then 'Elliot' Page's interview would have definitely peaked me. I peaked because Nikkie said he always knew he was a woman because he always liked 'wearing pink, and dolls, and whatnot". Then I did some digging around the word terf and whoopsie a baby terf was born. Glad to have found you. Anyways, this Eliot Page coming out thing... Here's what I got thrown at me in my youth " You drink from a glass like a man, you ride a bicycle like a man (???), you never want to wear high heels, why don't you let your hair grow, be more like a girl, you can't be a mechanic that's a man's job, why are you sitting like a man?, a woman with short hair??? are you sure you are a woman?, you only buy/wear pants... " to name a few. The only time I 'wanted' to be a man was when I was about 4-5 years old and I wanted the convenience of peeing while standing up. That's it. Over the years I've never felt drawn to stereotypes of what it means to be a woman, and even though I was behaving unconventionally and even though everyone around me told me I'm not 'lady like", I stuck to it. I knew I was a woman, I can't exaggerate this one loud enough. I never gave into anything stereotypical of my sex, but even though I was wearing baggy clothes, even though I had 0 make up on I still experienced misogyny, I've experienced sexual assault when I was 18 while idly staring at my computer screen wearing a hoodie. So, I just want to thank Ellen Page for 'opening' my eyes by telling me that I was a man all along. Freaking sellout.

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[–] Python 0 points (+0|-0)

I'm not particularly happy that my parents are conservative, but if it's one thing I'm happy about is that they would have never transed me as a kid.

I was uncompromisingly tomboyish-- I even declared that I was a boy at least once after being frustrated with the dress my mom had me put on.

Then years later I literally identitied as a TIF-- one of the only times where I'm grateful that I was too afraid to come out about something. Imagine if my parents were "woke" enough to send me to a "woke" therapist who would do nothing but affirm my delusion?

[–] ShieldMaiden 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

This sounds a lot like me. I was a huge tomboy as a kid. I have so many school pictures of myself posing with footballs, soccer balls (sports I never played off the school playground), I played video games, collected baseball cards, always wore jeans and t-shirts that were often from the boys’ section of the department store, and rode a boys’ bike that my parents bought for me. I remember desperately wanting to pee standing up around the same age, maybe 3-4. I much preferred playing with toy guns, Hot Wheels, and Power Rangers action figures. Nobody thought anything of it. This was the 90s - nobody would have ever suggested that I was a trans kid. And never at any point did I “feel like a boy” or want to be a boy - I knew I was a girl, and that was that. Even today in my 30s, I can’t honestly say I “feel like a woman.” What does that even mean? What does it mean to “feel like a woman” or “feel like a man”? I don’t feel like either one, I am just me, an adult human female, AKA a woman.

[–] Carthimundia 1 points (+1|-0)

And what confuses me is they continue to lie and INSIST this has absolutely nothing to do with gender stereotypes. If it has nothing to do with stereotypes then why do they always list stereotypes as a reason why they are really a man?

The same people who are saying TiMs shouldn't be excluded from womanhood even if they have masculine features are also saying that actual masculine women are just trans men in denial and should seek transition. You can't have it both ways, dear TRAs. Either womanhood is broad enough of a category that it includes whole-ass males (and they sure love to point out masculine features in women which are basically the same as male bodies, amirite), and then butches/tomboys are just as womanly, or you want to say anyone who isn't feminine isn't truly a woman, and then you need to exclude any trans woman who doesn't pass.

So ridiculous, so regressive.🙄

Even my parents born in the 50s are aware that it’s okay to be GNC, and being GNC doesn’t make you trans. Duhhhhh. How has society moved so far backwards into sexist stereotypes?

[–] sineadsiobhan 7 points (+7|-0)

I was a huge tomboy when I was younger. I loved my short hair and thought the boys clothes were more comfortable than the girls clothes. I loved cars and dinosaurs and even had a massive baseball hat collection.

I’ve been married for 13 years to a man and have a toddler daughter, who I’m raising to be gender non-conforming as well, ignoring the gendered toys and clothes (ie I buy something from both sections, she would have a “boy” top with “girl” leggings and look really stylish!). She absolutely loves playing with her dolls and her cars. She also plays with the dinosaurs I had as a child.

The one thing that really annoyed me about Ellen’s interview was her saying she had an enormous panic attack about being told to wear a dress on the red carpet. I knew, off the top of my head, that women have worn trouser suits on the red carpet (Diane Keaton is a famous example) including Ellen Page herself.

It doesn’t feel genuine. It feels like she transed in order for young people to have a young “trans role model.” She could barely look at Oprah. She was doing a quick interview with the Umbrella Academy cast and they called her Elliot, people said she smiled at being called her new name but it was almost like a forced smile, not a happy one at all.

I’m actually questioning if she’s even trans at all. Some things just don’t add up.

[–] KBash 3 points (+3|-0)

I agree that she seems incredibly unhappy and it makes me really uneasy. And her answers are so incredibly scripted. It’s like she’s badly playing a part which isn’t even entirely her fault because the writing is so cliched.

[–] goatsauce 2 points (+2|-0)

She's not trans, she's just in the midst of a mental health crisis and all these outlets are taking advantage. She presents all of this as if she's never had an ounce of agency in the matter, as if she couldn't have refused to wear the dress to a premiere or whatever, or that there were just simply no other options. I get that when she was a closeted lesbian, she probably felt that she had to play the feminine game harder to stay in the closet, but if that were the case, then it's still a reaction to homophobia and the era when her career was at its peak.

Could be she was told to do it for PR (meaning PR for transgenders, not PR for Ellen herself).

She could still have her breasts. The whole thing could be fake.

We'll never know.

[–] sineadsiobhan 1 points (+1|-0)

I was wondering this, if you look at her clothing, her shirt is quite big on her but there’s glimpses of a white undergarment every time she moved her body a bit.

I’m wondering if it’s a binder.

Then again when I had my breast augmentation surgery, I wore a binder type garment to keep the shape of my breasts consistent (only around my chest, not like a tank top). I’ve seen double mastectomies on TIFs and they wear bandaging around their chest, not binders.

[–] elscat 3 points (+3|-0)

Christ. A TRA linked me a ‘gender quiz’ once which indicated that I was in fact a man. Which was a surprise to me. It’s also worrying that young girls are doing these quizzes and thinking “oh I’m trans” time to get my breasts lopped off.

I'll bet those kind of quizzes are all over magazines aimed at teen girls.

Can I just say high heels suck, I don't understand how anyone finds them comfortable, and I'm actively investigating flat shoes that will go with a bridal dress because I don't want to spend my wedding day thinking about my sore feet.

[–] goatsauce 2 points (+2|-0)

Betsey Johnson has a line of bridal/formal shoes that includes a lot of beautiful flats and sandals, or for a more luxe option, Badgley Mischka has a ton of really beautiful flat bridal shoes. High heels have really gone out of fashion in the last decade, so finding flats is way easier now than ever before.

For more festive occasions I have a couple nice pairs of loafers. They have "more heel" than ballerina flats but they're not bending your foot into uncomfortable positions. Pumps with a low wedge heel might also be an option, I've seen fancy ones.

I recommend a 'kitten heel' style- its basically a scaled down high heel, only about an inch high, more elegant and actually more comfortable than a ballerina style flat.

I remember the whole Nikkie Tutorials drama in the Dutch press. No idea what the coming out was about, so I watched the video with an open mind and wondered why he was coming out as trans, since the fact that he was a man was obvious within the very first second.

As for Ellen Page. That woman is/will be (partly) responsible for some very real damage to baby butches and other lesbian girls.

[–] BluecatSarah 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

Someone: “You don’t look like a feminist” Me: “Shhh! I’m undercover!”

(Sometime in the 1980s).

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