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Bechdel says she’s heartened by the strides that the LGBTQ+ community has made since she first started writing and drawing, but she’s also aware that gains can always be lost and that progress only goes so far. (She singles out the recent legislative attacks on the trans community as “particularly troubling.”)

Last paragraph of this article: https://www.vogue.com/article/alison-bechdel-interview-the-secret-to-superhuman-strength#intcid=_vogue-bottom-recirc_2df3ceca-b416-4afd-a468-df53ea3631cd_text2vec1

The "legislative attacks" refer to the Arkansas bill.

I have a volume of 'Dykes to watch out for' with strips from around 2000, in which her stand-in character voices gender-critical doubts about lesbians becoming "trans men", but during the story arch she becomes schooled by another lesbian and eventually changes her mind. So I guess she's now fully on board with this.

> Bechdel says she’s heartened by the strides that the LGBTQ+ community has made since she first started writing and drawing, but she’s also aware that gains can always be lost and that progress only goes so far. (**She singles out the recent legislative attacks on the trans community as “particularly troubling.”**) Last paragraph of this article: https://www.vogue.com/article/alison-bechdel-interview-the-secret-to-superhuman-strength#intcid=_vogue-bottom-recirc_2df3ceca-b416-4afd-a468-df53ea3631cd_text2vec1 The "legislative attacks" refer to the Arkansas bill. I have a volume of 'Dykes to watch out for' with strips from around 2000, in which her stand-in character voices gender-critical doubts about lesbians becoming "trans men", but during the story arch she becomes schooled by another lesbian and eventually changes her mind. So I guess she's now fully on board with this.

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[–] BlackCirce 63 points (+63|-0)

So if two trans identified males talk about something other than their ladydicks in a movie does it pass the Bechdel Test?

[–] Veneficca 30 points (+30|-0)

She recently did a Valentine's Day event where a TIM (Lauren John Joseph, who likes to photograph his genitals in fishnets) was selected to read aloud love letters between Virginia Woolf and Vita Sackville-West. Yes, a Valentine's event celebrating a lesbian relationship was handed over to a dude specializing in dick pics, and she was part of the event. She's doing another event this month with Torrey Peters, the TIM on the Women's Fiction list.

She knows very fucking well that TIMs are men but she won't speak out. Her career wouldn't survive it - not at age 60, with DTWOF long behind her and Fun Home a long time ago too. She'd be dismissed as an out-of-touch Boomer/TERF/Karen and there'd be no more events or interviews or admiration. She knows it, she saw what happened to JKR and Navratilova, and she's not as powerful as they are. And it's maddening, because her early work is full of Mich Fest, women's bookstores, and butch women, and she knows that world is going-going-gone for the lesbians coming up behind her.

[–] vulvapeople 12 points (+12|-0)

I guess that destroys my theory that she doesn't know what TIMs are like. Nevertheless, she was pushing trans back when she was still writing Dykes to Watch Out For, so this isn't a new development.

[–] Avadavat 25 points (+25|-0)

Alison Bechdel a TRA? If true, that would be a real blow. The Bechdel test opened my eyes not only to the gross underepresentation of women in popular culture and media, but also to how girls and women are often just props to propel the male-centered narrative forward.

[–] hmimperialtortie 25 points (+25|-0)

Oh fuck, another sell-out.

I remember a panel from Fun Home (I think) where she’s a little kid and sees a butch woman for the first time, and thinks “She’s like me”. I wonder if she’d now claim that the woman was really a man after all?

[–] pennygadget 13 points (+13|-0)

Oh fuck, another sell-out.

Bechdel saw what happened to JK Rowling and decided she best not get uppity and upset the men in lipstick

[–] hmimperialtortie 12 points (+12|-0)

Worse than merely not upset, actively pander to them. You think these crossdressers are women, Allison? Real actual lesbians? Really?

Makes me wonder if she’s not relying on her age to be safe from demands for sex from them.

[–] Ooofffff 25 points (+25|-0)

This one hit me as Fun Home was one of my favorite graphic novels in college. It’s such a shame. Coincidentally, every time I watch a movie with my film buff friend of mine I bring up the Bechdel Test and how more often than not the movie does not pass, and that same friend is now transitioning MTF. Explains their weird looks to me when I always critiqued what we watched from a woman’s POV.

[–] Griffxx 15 points (+15|-0)

She mentioned in an interview, that if she was in the current generation, she probably would have transitioned.

This isn't far of a leap.

But I would what she'd say about the Cotton Ceiling?

[–] notyourfetish 15 points (+15|-0)

God. The world has gone mad.

As someone who writes film articles and has referenced her frequently . . . This is beyond depressing.

[–] worried19 14 points (+14|-0)

Maybe she's just not informed. Or she heard "Republican" and automatically assumed bad. I find it hard to believe she's that unaware, though. Didn't she make a public statement that if transition had been available when she was younger, she would have transitioned? I thought she was rejecting a trans identity. She calls herself a woman, at least as of today.

If she is a hardcore TRA, I'd be sad. Fun Home is on my small shelf of books about GNC women. She must realize how many other women just like her are leaving womanhood and their lesbian identities behind. I can't believe she thinks that's natural.

[–] pennygadget 13 points (+13|-0)

Maybe she's just not informed. Or she heard "Republican" and automatically assumed bad.

That could be it. But, when it comes to smart women like Bechdel & Atwood singing the Gospel Of Trans, I suspect its a career/social move more than a moral one. In modern, mainstream left wing & gay spaces, you become a pariah if you don't swallow trans dogma 100%. And this is true in art circles as well. So Bechdel would stand to lose ALL of her professional and personal ties if she came out as even mildly GC.

And these women saw what the left has done to JK Rowling in the wake of her expressing very mild GC views. None of Rowling's good works and charities matter anymore because she doesn't think cocks belong in female rape & DV shelters. If Bechdel came out as GC, TRAs would campaign to rename "The Bechdel Test" to "The Laverne Cox Test" or whatever. And Allison Bechdel HAS to know this

In modern, mainstream left wing & gay spaces, you become a pariah if you don't swallow trans dogma 100%. And this is true in art circles as well.

The crowd that think they're all edgy and non-conformist are the biggest hive mind conformists there are. Not a rebel among them. Not one of them thinks as an individual. And they're so proud of their total lack of independent thought too!

[–] vulvapeople 13 points (+13|-0)

She has been for a while. She had a TIM "lesbian" character, and there was a strip where Mo was worried about sharing a bathroom with him, but of course he was just a normal "woman", and her fears were irrational. I think there was also a TIM character who was the son of two lesbians.

I doubt Bechdel has had much real life experience with TIMs, especially of the transbian variety. I'll bet that she irrationally believes that TIMs are gender rebels.

My impression is that older lesbians tend to be blissfully unaware of how vile "lesbian" TIMs are because TIMs, being men, are ageist and shallow and therefore don't target older women.

I have some older lesbian friends who are vaguely supportive of trans. They have very little experience with them save some sadsack middle-aged lesbian friend of theirs who transitioned but otherwise lives as a lesbian. They also have a vague belief that, when lesbians transition, these women are outliers who would have been "men" anyway in an earlier era if only they had been allowed to transition. They have no clue of the scale of lesbians identifying as anything other than women. I suspect the death of lesbian bars and other establishments is linked since they have very few venues to meet other lesbians these days.

[–] normcore 1 points (+1|-0)

Yes! The plot with the little boy who wanted desperately to be Britney (or some other pop star, I can't remember) was so depressing to me. I thought it might turn out okay at first, because some of the characters were pushing back against name changes/pronouns/hormones. And they even talked about how the kid only wanted to embody the very worst female sterotypes - he basically wanted to be a ditzy trashy Bratz doll. But by the end everybody supported and affirmed him and his mom changed her mind about hormones because he wanted boobs so bad. I lost a lot of respect for Bechdel after that, TBH.

[–] normcore 12 points (+12|-0)

Yeah, I think I've read the same DTWOF compilation you're talking about and I noticed the same thing. She always sets it up with one of the characters being "bigoted" and then has the more woke character scold them. There were some old strips about TIMs invading lesbian spaces and then the later lesbian to TIF pipeline, and both made me side-eye her.

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