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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways.

The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man.

A couple of other things:

  1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see.
  2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering.
  3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria.
  4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time.

I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!"

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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways. The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man. A couple of other things: 1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see. 2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering. 3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria. 4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time. I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!" Edit - grammar

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[–] Jack_the_Lass 14 points (+14|-0)

I've only seen photos of her recently and I agree she looks really unhealthy. Just way to thin for starters. Also not a glint of joy or happiness in there.

[–] worried19 17 points (+17|-0)

That's the worst thing, the unhappiness. If this is gender euphoria, where's the euphoria? Page looks sick and miserable.

I'm not just saying this because I disagree with Page transitioning. Most newly out trans people don't seem this depressed. Testosterone and top surgery usually gives people a high, at least at first. If Page looks so bad just starting the process, I can only assume worse things are in store down the road.

[–] Jack_the_Lass 10 points (+10|-0)

I watched some clips of the interview after I made that comment (I couldn't find the full interview on youtube) and it's pretty much the same in the person. She smiles from time to time and presents a sort of facade of gender euphoria but I just don't believe it. She seems physically ill, tired, the smiles seem forced.

I have absolutely no ill will towards her and I want her to be happy and healthy. But it breaks my heart that the latent misogyny in our culture runs so deep that people feel they have to go through what she is going through. Its just so deeply sad.

[–] RawSienna 3 points (+3|-0)

Even if “gender euphoria” (🤮) exists, euphoria is transient. It’s not a steady state.