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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways.

The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man.

A couple of other things:

  1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see.
  2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering.
  3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria.
  4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time.

I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!"

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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways. The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man. A couple of other things: 1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see. 2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering. 3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria. 4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time. I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!" Edit - grammar

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[–] goatsauce 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah, she still has an active role on Umbrella Academy playing Vanya. Unless they transition her character for no particular reason, they're going to have a weird time explaining why Vanya suddenly sounds like she's been smoking 20 packs a day in the interim between seasons.

[–] Boudicaea 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

They ARE transing her character!! Which really annoys me. I liked that show. I have no idea how they're going to bootstrap that into the storyline. Especially when it seemed she was in a better place at the end of last season-- like finally comfortable in her own skin. How do they tack on a trans storyline onto that??

Edit: Leaving up for context, but I can't find a source for my belief that they are going to turn Vanya trans. I think I read it somewhere. But I could be wrong. Mea culpa!

[–] questioningtw 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

Exactly. Vanya is a lesbian character who just found out who she is. Is she going to have another self discovery about how she is really a man? Over on the Umbrella Academy subreddit they are cheering this on and think it is wonderful, but I somehow think they are the minority. Page should have done the right thing and quit, so they could recast the character. I know that sounds harsh, but it really bothers me how people seem to think they should be able to transiton, and nothing in their life changes.

[–] immersang 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

Page should have done the right thing and quit, so they could recast the character. I know that sounds harsh, but it really bothers me how people seem to think they should be able to transiton, and nothing in their life changes.

Completely agree. She's putting the writers / showrunners into an impossible position here. They basically have the choice between pandering completely to this nonsense and screwing over their show in the process or putting their feet down and getting called bigots.

[–] immersang 3 points (+3|-0)

They ARE? Is that for certain? When she first announced this didn’t she say that she wanted to keep playing Vanya as she was?

Ugh, I was looking forward to a new season. Now all that excitement...gone.

[–] Boudicaea 2 points (+2|-0)

You know, I tried to find the article I remember where that was said, but I can't find it. There are some articles stating that Vanya will still be a woman, so maybe I was wrong. I don't see any official statements though one way or the other, except that Ellen will still be playing Vanya this season.