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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways.

The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man.

A couple of other things:

  1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see.
  2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering.
  3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria.
  4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time.

I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!"

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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways. The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man. A couple of other things: 1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see. 2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering. 3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria. 4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time. I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!" Edit - grammar

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[–] Griffxx 26 points (+26|-0)

I think she's always had low self-esteem and a sense of selfloathing. The inability to vocally articulate has been a problem on film sets. She's completely prepared, but would talk very low. Had to receive notes to about it.

The "Gender Euphoria" is a TRA talking point. Once you are out and are medically the dysphoria disappears.

I wish her well, but I don't think it's over. We know that child stars are sometime sexually assaulted by some of these studio executives and producers. I would put forth Lindsay Lohan as the poster child. I think there's something else going on. Time reveal all things.

[–] Stealthygal 24 points (+24|-0)

The thing that struck me in one of the print articles I read where she was lauding her top surgery was that it suggested less a sense of manliness, more a return to preadolescent times. She talked about looking in the mirror topless and thinking "There you are". I wondered, is "you" a man in his 30s or the person you saw before puberty changed your body and brought unwanted attention?

As far as I'm concerned, if an adult woman hates her breasts so much she wants to remove them well ok. But it's cosmetic surgery, an adult choice, not something to offer teens.

Young and old women with very large breasts that physically harm our wellbeing struggle to get reductions and it's not fair that people are offered funded matectomies because they are "male". I bet men with gynaecomastia also have to wait.

[–] Srfthrowaway 9 points (+9|-0)

Total mastectomy is major surgery and imo should not be done for mental health reasons.

Reduction mammoplasty, OTOH, should be funded across the board. Any decent surgeon knows what to put on the forms to get it covered too.

And you're right, men with gynecomastia have to wait, and generally it's not covered at all.

[–] Griffxx 4 points (+4|-0)

That's why I initially thought it was BID. Later found out she was also taking T.

I think you are right, about the pre adolescence thing. I think, for her frame and height (5'1") her breast were considered large.