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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways.

The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man.

A couple of other things:

  1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see.
  2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering.
  3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria.
  4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time.

I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!"

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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways. The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man. A couple of other things: 1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see. 2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering. 3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria. 4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time. I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!" Edit - grammar

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[–] Boudicaea 20 points (+20|-0)

Is Ellen on T? I figured she would avoid it to preserve her look for future roles. She's going to have way worse problems than a shaky voice if she started on that poison....

[–] goatsauce 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah, she still has an active role on Umbrella Academy playing Vanya. Unless they transition her character for no particular reason, they're going to have a weird time explaining why Vanya suddenly sounds like she's been smoking 20 packs a day in the interim between seasons.

[–] questioningtw 5 points (+5|-0)

I have decided I am not going to watch the show if they trans Vanya. This might sound mean, but I think it is ridiculus that she wasn't let go after transitioning. Why in the world should the character get a re write? Vanya is a woman, and shouldn't be made a man for no reason.

[–] goatsauce 1 points (+1|-0)

They're caught between a rock and a hard place, I imagine. If they ditch Ellen Page, they're transphobes. If they transition Vanya, that becomes a pretty engulfing plotline, especially right after her character was exploring issues related to being gay last season. I don't envy the showrunners. I'd probably tell her to suck it up and put on a wig and then try to shuffle her character to an almost useless side role as much as possible.

[–] Boudicaea 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

They ARE transing her character!! Which really annoys me. I liked that show. I have no idea how they're going to bootstrap that into the storyline. Especially when it seemed she was in a better place at the end of last season-- like finally comfortable in her own skin. How do they tack on a trans storyline onto that??

Edit: Leaving up for context, but I can't find a source for my belief that they are going to turn Vanya trans. I think I read it somewhere. But I could be wrong. Mea culpa!

[–] questioningtw 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

Exactly. Vanya is a lesbian character who just found out who she is. Is she going to have another self discovery about how she is really a man? Over on the Umbrella Academy subreddit they are cheering this on and think it is wonderful, but I somehow think they are the minority. Page should have done the right thing and quit, so they could recast the character. I know that sounds harsh, but it really bothers me how people seem to think they should be able to transiton, and nothing in their life changes.

[–] immersang 3 points (+3|-0)

They ARE? Is that for certain? When she first announced this didn’t she say that she wanted to keep playing Vanya as she was?

Ugh, I was looking forward to a new season. Now all that excitement...gone.