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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways.

The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man.

A couple of other things:

  1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see.
  2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering.
  3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria.
  4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time.

I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!"

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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways. The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man. A couple of other things: 1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see. 2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering. 3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria. 4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time. I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!" Edit - grammar

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[–] tamata 16 points (+16|-0)

I could be wrong but it's my understanding that it's a common experience for people when they reach a certain level of fame, it becomes extremely difficult to find people that you (1) like, (2) understand, and (3) trust. It seems like that's why the celebrities who are usually more well-off in the long term are the ones who have always had their family and (pre-fame) close friends looking out for and grounding them. (As opposed to managers and lawyers and whatnot.)

In Elliot's case, Hollywood is a big enough enemy on its own, so the fact that she took on the TRA monster along with it, well... I simply cannot imagine that she is mentally or emotionally well adjusted and dearly hope that she has people who will pick her up off the ground when the cameras aren't rolling anymore.

[–] butchnerd 13 points (+13|-0)

You're certainly right, the fame must make it hard to trust people... I just hoped she had someone, anyone around her.

I didn't watch the entire Oprah interview... but did she mention her family at all? Mom, Dad, anybody? I guess there's a chance they never really accepted her for being a lesbian, IDK :(

On a random but slightly funny note, I checked her Wikipedia page and found this is still listed as her official website:

https://ellen.page/

Everything there still says Ellen... definitely bittersweet to look at now.

[–] butchnerd 10 points (+10|-0)

Replying to my own post because I'm stuck on this thought... Ellen Page went through with a double mastectomy before she could be bothered to get her personal website updated. Now that's mental illness, luv.