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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways.

The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man.

A couple of other things:

  1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see.
  2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering.
  3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria.
  4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time.

I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!"

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I just watched Ellen/Elliot Page's recent interview with Oprah today...here are my takeaways. The level of deep-seeded internalized misogyny struck me most. It's almost painful to watch. I sympathize with her hearing her speak. Knowing the pressure on regular women to look sexually pleasing and attractive to men, I can't imagine how that pressure would be multiplied for women in the public eye. It almost makes sense - the only way Ellen Page could avoid being sexualized and ridiculed for her looks was to identify as a man. A couple of other things: 1. She looks sick. Her voice is quivering. It's almost tough to see. 2. Disappointingly no questions on how she knew she was a man other than her wanting short hair and having male friends as a kid. Felt like pandering. 3. The term "gender euphoria"... she uses this a lot. This is a really weird way to characterize gender dysphoria. 4. Her lack of confidence - she seems scared and uncomfortable the entire time. I just felt bad for her. It seems like her life in hollywood really made her feel a lack of agency. I simultaneously wanted to hug her and shake her and scream "YOU CAN WEAR A SUIT TO THE OSCARS THATS FINE!" Edit - grammar

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[–] Mother-of-Rats 14 points (+14|-0)

The timing of her “coming out” as a transman was sus at best. Her marriage broke up a few months prior then suddenly she’s decided she’s actually a man.

Armchair psychologist here saying that I think she “came out” as a transman because she was having trouble coming to grips with the separation from her wife. Her wife is a lesbian so if she (Ellen) is actually a man then it totes explains why her wife left. It’s not because there were issues in the relationship that needed work, it was because her wife is a lesbian but SHE is actually a HE so her wife really had no choice but to leave. It’s sad no matter how you slice it.

If she wasn’t throwing other women under the bus and advocating for surgically harming young women I’d feel sorry for her. The thing is, she’s rich and famous. Google is free she very easily could have looked into the actual side effects of “transitioning” and could have afforded a good therapist to help with her difficulty dealing with her marriage problems.

[–] Srfthrowaway 16 points (+16|-0)

The timing of her “coming out” as a transman was sus at best.

We can never forget that is was the same day as Keira Bell's ruling. A few hours later. That is not coincidental.

[–] RawSienna 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Part of me thinks some sick fuck wealthy TIM or TIM-adjacent Hollywood big man paid her to do this, and timed it to overshadow K.Bell. The ultimate distraction publicity stunt, paid in blood by an unwell woman.

[–] worried19 1 points (+1|-0)

It shocks me that she has no sympathy for Keira, who was a 14 year old child when the whole transition process started. No feeling of solidarity with another young lesbian who has suffered.

[–] immersang 13 points (+13|-0) Edited

If she wasn’t throwing other women under the bus and advocating for surgically harming young women I’d feel sorry for her. The thing is, she’s rich and famous. Google is free she very easily could have looked into the actual side effects of “transitioning” and could have afforded a good therapist to help with her difficulty dealing with her marriage problems.

This 100%.

I'm done with sympathizing with women (no matter if TIFs or handmaidens) who decide to handle their own issues by throwing other women under the bus. (Yes, feminism is for them, too, and when I fight for women's rights, that of course includes them. But I don't have the capacity for feeling sorry for them anymore.)

I'm in this boat too. Part of me feels like I should be understanding and sympathetic but the other part of me is livid at the example she is setting for young lesbians. She is effectively reaffirming to them that if they are attracted to women and don't enjoy stereotypical feminine things then they must be a man.