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(This is just a bit of musing I should've typed out and edited instead of writing out like spoken word, but I figured I'd keep and post it anyway.)

There is no movement to trans women over 40-50. There's no big push to get us to explore our gender identity. No attempt to medicalize us out of fear of menopause (it would be very, very easy, you'd think, to talk women who are often being pressured into having hysterectomies ANYWAY to just go for it, be a man!). Not the way younger women and girls are being sold a lie over fear of puberty. Women over a certain age are abandoned in this regard.

We are and have always been expendable once we age, once society stopped valuing us as caregivers past our fertility (which wasn't all that long ago). We're just "Karens" now. No one has an issue wondering what the gender of women over a certain age is, we're undeniably women. Women with a snort of disgust. If all of us can change our sex, then of course women in this demographic can; no one urges us to. Very few of us ever toy with the idea.

Women over a certain age were raised to see sex and gender as one in the same, a binary; to this, the world responds by branding us as "TERF" and witch, Karen and bitch. Before we even speak; as if they know their tactics tend to fall flat with us. Only the "TERF" is new.

The only pressure is to accept, accept, accept and cheerlead everyone on. An across the board "don't be a Karen, you expendable wench!" That's our binary as we age. I wonder if this will change?

Women of a certain age are simply out of f*cks, and everyone knows it.

(This is just a bit of musing I should've typed out and edited instead of writing out like spoken word, but I figured I'd keep and post it anyway.) There is no movement to trans women over 40-50. There's no big push to get us to explore our gender identity. No attempt to medicalize us out of fear of menopause (it would be very, very easy, you'd think, to talk women who are often being pressured into having hysterectomies ANYWAY to just go for it, be a man!). Not the way younger women and girls are being sold a lie over fear of puberty. Women over a certain age are abandoned in this regard. We are and have always been expendable once we age, once society stopped valuing us as caregivers past our fertility (which wasn't all that long ago). We're just "Karens" now. No one has an issue wondering what the gender of women over a certain age is, we're undeniably women. Women with a snort of disgust. If all of us can change our sex, then of course women in this demographic can; no one urges us to. Very few of us ever toy with the idea. Women over a certain age were raised to see sex and gender as one in the same, a binary; to this, the world responds by branding us as "TERF" and witch, Karen and bitch. Before we even speak; as if they know their tactics tend to fall flat with us. Only the "TERF" is new. The only pressure is to accept, accept, accept and cheerlead everyone on. An across the board "don't be a Karen, you expendable wench!" That's our binary as we age. I wonder if this will change? Women of a certain age are simply out of f*cks, and everyone knows it.

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[–] questioningtw 2 points (+2|-0)

Oh absolutly. I have known a few butch lesbians that are over 40 and they have zero desire to transition, and get angry when asked when they where going to transition already. Young people are targeted, because young people are more suggestable. Of course though, if you say this, you get called "ageist" even though it is the truth. Most people when they are around 30 have a pretty stable sense of self.

[–] ProxyMusic 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

Women over a certain age were raised to see sex and gender as one in the same, a binary;

OP, can you explain more what you mean by this? I'm definitely "over a certain age" - in fact, at 66 I think I'm one of the oldest on Ovarit. In the part of the USA and the cultural milieu I grew up in, women in my generation (and the generations that came before) were not raised to see sex and "gender" as one and the same. We also didn't use the word "gender" - we spoke of sex roles, sex stereotypes and the dress norms and codes of behavior considered appropriate for each sex.

[–] EvaDemeter [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

I actually meant exactly what you said; it was inconceivable in my day to see these as separate concepts. Outside of certain sectors of academia, these words were simply synonyms. At least this is how everyone I knew understood them.

[–] ThisReality 3 points (+3|-0)

It'll be interesting to see how the trans phenomenon ages and changes over time. 10 or 20 years from now, how many will desist and quietly go back to living as their actual sex? What kind of health issues will they face in their later years as a direct result of earlier medical interventions for transitioning?

[–] LadySparklz 4 points (+4|-0)

Women over 35 are a complete mystery to the world. In pop culture, less than 1% of films made have had a female lead character over the age of 35. Nobody has ever known our stories, especially in our own words.

[–] yesisaiditxx 3 points (+3|-0)

Yep but then you’re considered to be somehow beyond hope as far as “getting it” over issues like this. It’s so incredibly insulting that men are perceived as growing in gravity and women are worth listening to when the equation of pretty woman = what she says has influence is in effect but once you’re not fuckable anymore you probably have nothing important to say UNLESS you go full mommy hippie I love everyone I’ll take care of you and defend you mode.

The no rhetoric about how you might be trans is tied in there— if you can’t perpetuate the fetish and the dismantling of women’s shared spaces and biological and medical rights (that are mostly affecting premenopausal or roughly less than 60 at least women) then you aren’t really of use to them.

I’m only in my 30s but I continually rage at this BS when I see it and I hope when it’s my time the younger women will do that for me.

[–] GelatinousRube 11 points (+11|-0)

Another piece of this is that young trancels don't want to fuck older women. They want the young lesbians. There's no gain in brainwashing us with queer theory.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 12 points (+12|-0)
  1. we're not easily influenced like young people
  2. we give zero shits about peer pressure like young people
  3. we aren't sex-addled, depraved, kinky bastards like adult men
[–] EvaDemeter [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

Yep, but I'd say plenty of women have libidos to match even the horniest teenaged male, just even that is treated as if there's something wrong with us. There's no right answer for us.

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+1|-0)

Oh we definitely have strong libidos, they just aren't aimed at such revolting and deranged things/ideas.

[–] Astraea1284 9 points (+9|-0)

That's a fascinating observation that I hadn't quite grasped.

A few days ago, there was a discussion under one of Karen Davis's YT videos about how we see so few middle-aged TIFs. I only know of two: one is a a lesbian singer (who Peachyoghurt did a video about). The second was a straight woman I knew tangentially online simply because she'd attacked a good friend of mine; my friend had posted a negative review of a historical novel the TIF's friend wrote. The TIF author took issue with my friend's objection to the book's characterisation of two complex men who loved each other into offensive gay stereotypes. She literally said my friend's objection to the use of homophobic caricatures was ... homophobic. She basically called everyone who didn't like her own novels - she was big on fetishising lesbians, though i think she wrote m/m romance as well - homophobic too. Ultimately, she transitioned at 60 and declared herself a gay man; she rewrote all her lesbian characters into trans men then retrospectively attacked negative reviewers for "transphobia". This was fiction set at a time when modern gender theory didn't exist! I never knew what her poor husband thought about this, though I gather they stayed together. She was a very strange, angry individual. This was about 8 years ago when I knew nothing about this issue beyond being "kind", so I dutifully referred to her as "him", even in my thoughts: I remember saying, "oh, okay then, good luck to him, but he's still an arsehole though" when my friend and I were talking about it.

She stuck in my mind though after all this time, because midlife transition for women is so rare. It didn't occur to me to link that with the overt campaigning to convert kids and adult men. All the TIFs being celebrated - including non-binary identifying women - are relatively young, at most in their early 30s.

Of course it's because women from their 40s onwards become invisible and are seen as sexless and because we stop giving a shit what the world thinks of us.

The TIF author took issue with my friend's objection to the book's characterization of two complex men who loved each other into offensive gay stereotypes. She literally said my friend's objection to the use of homophobic caricatures was ... homophobic.

That's because women don't want reality in gay characters. They want romanticized characters that act like women, but are men.

What would society be like if all older women did just f*ck off? (Whether to magically become men or just to some heavenly resort only for older women) I vote we all go on strike! - as a research exercise 😂

If everybody had a gender identity and there are just more trans people because of higher acceptance you'll see a boom in 50/60 years old women coming out as men.... Have you seen that? NO. Just weird as fuck AGP leaving their families because of a sexual rush. Wonder why that is.... Women leaving their husbands to life their only life as men wouldn't benefit patriarchy in the slightest.

[–] [Deleted] 20 points (+20|-0)

They really need us to be the villains in their story. Gen Z is constantly like "Karens give me dirty looks!" We literally can't even look at people

[–] yesisaiditxx 6 points (+6|-0)

Did I just miss this because I’ve always loved older people so when I was young it didn’t stand out to me, or is GenZ particularly disrespectful to older people?

[–] [Deleted] 5 points (+5|-0)

They are and I think it's because of the internet. Adults and kids/teens interact more because of it, so we're more aware of (and critical) of each other. I'm a millennial and 15 years ago when I was a teen, if you were an adult who didn't know me personally, I wasn't aware of your existence at all. But to be fair, baby boomers started the "shit on other generations online" trend

[–] Tnetennba 3 points (+3|-0)

They certainly did. They published hysterical article after hysterical article calling us murderers because we don't like Applebee's.

A lot of Gen Z are taught to believe "Boomers" (who are basically everyone over 30) ruined everything and they are why they can't get a job/have fun/planet warming/housing unaffordable/retirement unattainable/etc...

[–] TervenofBitches 1 points (+1|-0)

Technically, people between 40 and 60 are GenXers. People always forget about us.

It’s okay. Our parents forgot about us, too.

[–] questioningtw 3 points (+3|-0)

I hate that this view is being normalized and even encouraged. Jill Fillivoc even wrote a book saying that kids saying ok boomer is totes normal and healthy and boomers did it too to their parents. Just because a behavior is common doesn't mmake it healthy. Also, it is beyond hippocritical to protest against people slamming younger generations, only to act like your generation is awesome, and the older ones are awful.

I didn’t realise our eyes were so powerful!

Goes off to practice deadly glances

"Over 50? Men hate this one weird trick for perfecting your basilisk glare!"

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