82

(This is just a bit of musing I should've typed out and edited instead of writing out like spoken word, but I figured I'd keep and post it anyway.)

There is no movement to trans women over 40-50. There's no big push to get us to explore our gender identity. No attempt to medicalize us out of fear of menopause (it would be very, very easy, you'd think, to talk women who are often being pressured into having hysterectomies ANYWAY to just go for it, be a man!). Not the way younger women and girls are being sold a lie over fear of puberty. Women over a certain age are abandoned in this regard.

We are and have always been expendable once we age, once society stopped valuing us as caregivers past our fertility (which wasn't all that long ago). We're just "Karens" now. No one has an issue wondering what the gender of women over a certain age is, we're undeniably women. Women with a snort of disgust. If all of us can change our sex, then of course women in this demographic can; no one urges us to. Very few of us ever toy with the idea.

Women over a certain age were raised to see sex and gender as one in the same, a binary; to this, the world responds by branding us as "TERF" and witch, Karen and bitch. Before we even speak; as if they know their tactics tend to fall flat with us. Only the "TERF" is new.

The only pressure is to accept, accept, accept and cheerlead everyone on. An across the board "don't be a Karen, you expendable wench!" That's our binary as we age. I wonder if this will change?

Women of a certain age are simply out of f*cks, and everyone knows it.

(This is just a bit of musing I should've typed out and edited instead of writing out like spoken word, but I figured I'd keep and post it anyway.) There is no movement to trans women over 40-50. There's no big push to get us to explore our gender identity. No attempt to medicalize us out of fear of menopause (it would be very, very easy, you'd think, to talk women who are often being pressured into having hysterectomies ANYWAY to just go for it, be a man!). Not the way younger women and girls are being sold a lie over fear of puberty. Women over a certain age are abandoned in this regard. We are and have always been expendable once we age, once society stopped valuing us as caregivers past our fertility (which wasn't all that long ago). We're just "Karens" now. No one has an issue wondering what the gender of women over a certain age is, we're undeniably women. Women with a snort of disgust. If all of us can change our sex, then of course women in this demographic can; no one urges us to. Very few of us ever toy with the idea. Women over a certain age were raised to see sex and gender as one in the same, a binary; to this, the world responds by branding us as "TERF" and witch, Karen and bitch. Before we even speak; as if they know their tactics tend to fall flat with us. Only the "TERF" is new. The only pressure is to accept, accept, accept and cheerlead everyone on. An across the board "don't be a Karen, you expendable wench!" That's our binary as we age. I wonder if this will change? Women of a certain age are simply out of f*cks, and everyone knows it.

47 comments

[–] itsnotaboutewe 70 points (+70|-0)

Women run out of fucks to give long before we run out of ova. Those hot flashes are just the polite veneer finally giving way to release the inner core of womanhood, hissing and cackling with each bead of sweat.

[–] SarahTheGreen 23 points (+23|-0)

We were already a market for HRT, to retain our youth as long as possible. To encourage us to go in the other direction might confuse the market.

[–] [Deleted] 20 points (+20|-0)

They really need us to be the villains in their story. Gen Z is constantly like "Karens give me dirty looks!" We literally can't even look at people

I didn’t realise our eyes were so powerful!

Goes off to practice deadly glances

"Over 50? Men hate this one weird trick for perfecting your basilisk glare!"

[–] yesisaiditxx 6 points (+6|-0)

Did I just miss this because I’ve always loved older people so when I was young it didn’t stand out to me, or is GenZ particularly disrespectful to older people?

[–] [Deleted] 5 points (+5|-0)

They are and I think it's because of the internet. Adults and kids/teens interact more because of it, so we're more aware of (and critical) of each other. I'm a millennial and 15 years ago when I was a teen, if you were an adult who didn't know me personally, I wasn't aware of your existence at all. But to be fair, baby boomers started the "shit on other generations online" trend

[–] Tnetennba 3 points (+3|-0)

They certainly did. They published hysterical article after hysterical article calling us murderers because we don't like Applebee's.

A lot of Gen Z are taught to believe "Boomers" (who are basically everyone over 30) ruined everything and they are why they can't get a job/have fun/planet warming/housing unaffordable/retirement unattainable/etc...

[–] questioningtw 3 points (+3|-0)

I hate that this view is being normalized and even encouraged. Jill Fillivoc even wrote a book saying that kids saying ok boomer is totes normal and healthy and boomers did it too to their parents. Just because a behavior is common doesn't mmake it healthy. Also, it is beyond hippocritical to protest against people slamming younger generations, only to act like your generation is awesome, and the older ones are awful.

[–] TervenofBitches 1 points (+1|-0)

Technically, people between 40 and 60 are GenXers. People always forget about us.

It’s okay. Our parents forgot about us, too.

What would society be like if all older women did just f*ck off? (Whether to magically become men or just to some heavenly resort only for older women) I vote we all go on strike! - as a research exercise 😂

If everybody had a gender identity and there are just more trans people because of higher acceptance you'll see a boom in 50/60 years old women coming out as men.... Have you seen that? NO. Just weird as fuck AGP leaving their families because of a sexual rush. Wonder why that is.... Women leaving their husbands to life their only life as men wouldn't benefit patriarchy in the slightest.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 12 points (+12|-0)
  1. we're not easily influenced like young people
  2. we give zero shits about peer pressure like young people
  3. we aren't sex-addled, depraved, kinky bastards like adult men
[–] EvaDemeter [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

Yep, but I'd say plenty of women have libidos to match even the horniest teenaged male, just even that is treated as if there's something wrong with us. There's no right answer for us.

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+1|-0)

Oh we definitely have strong libidos, they just aren't aimed at such revolting and deranged things/ideas.

[–] ProxyMusic 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

Women over a certain age were raised to see sex and gender as one in the same, a binary;

OP, can you explain more what you mean by this? I'm definitely "over a certain age" - in fact, at 66 I think I'm one of the oldest on Ovarit. In the part of the USA and the cultural milieu I grew up in, women in my generation (and the generations that came before) were not raised to see sex and "gender" as one and the same. We also didn't use the word "gender" - we spoke of sex roles, sex stereotypes and the dress norms and codes of behavior considered appropriate for each sex.

[–] EvaDemeter [OP] 1 points (+1|-0)

I actually meant exactly what you said; it was inconceivable in my day to see these as separate concepts. Outside of certain sectors of academia, these words were simply synonyms. At least this is how everyone I knew understood them.

[–] GelatinousRube 11 points (+11|-0)

Another piece of this is that young trancels don't want to fuck older women. They want the young lesbians. There's no gain in brainwashing us with queer theory.

[–] banjo 9 points (+9|-0)

I think you're right that they know yall would tend to just laugh at the idea of "coming out as a man" after half a century of womanhood

[–] Srfthrowaway 7 points (+7|-0)

I know two menopause ladies transing themselves, full surgery and all, and I'm completely lost as to why. I don't know them well enough to really ask about it but it is really unnerving to say the least.

[–] [Deleted] 5 points (+5|-0)

They laughed at Ellen Page for this reason.

[–] Boudicaea 10 points (+10|-0)

She really is too old for that nonsense. Think she's like 34? Way way too old to be that self absorbed.

[–] Astraea1284 9 points (+9|-0)

That's a fascinating observation that I hadn't quite grasped.

A few days ago, there was a discussion under one of Karen Davis's YT videos about how we see so few middle-aged TIFs. I only know of two: one is a a lesbian singer (who Peachyoghurt did a video about). The second was a straight woman I knew tangentially online simply because she'd attacked a good friend of mine; my friend had posted a negative review of a historical novel the TIF's friend wrote. The TIF author took issue with my friend's objection to the book's characterisation of two complex men who loved each other into offensive gay stereotypes. She literally said my friend's objection to the use of homophobic caricatures was ... homophobic. She basically called everyone who didn't like her own novels - she was big on fetishising lesbians, though i think she wrote m/m romance as well - homophobic too. Ultimately, she transitioned at 60 and declared herself a gay man; she rewrote all her lesbian characters into trans men then retrospectively attacked negative reviewers for "transphobia". This was fiction set at a time when modern gender theory didn't exist! I never knew what her poor husband thought about this, though I gather they stayed together. She was a very strange, angry individual. This was about 8 years ago when I knew nothing about this issue beyond being "kind", so I dutifully referred to her as "him", even in my thoughts: I remember saying, "oh, okay then, good luck to him, but he's still an arsehole though" when my friend and I were talking about it.

She stuck in my mind though after all this time, because midlife transition for women is so rare. It didn't occur to me to link that with the overt campaigning to convert kids and adult men. All the TIFs being celebrated - including non-binary identifying women - are relatively young, at most in their early 30s.

Of course it's because women from their 40s onwards become invisible and are seen as sexless and because we stop giving a shit what the world thinks of us.

The TIF author took issue with my friend's objection to the book's characterization of two complex men who loved each other into offensive gay stereotypes. She literally said my friend's objection to the use of homophobic caricatures was ... homophobic.

That's because women don't want reality in gay characters. They want romanticized characters that act like women, but are men.

Load more (4 comments)