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[–] kalina 45 points (+45|-0)

they are.. literally calling hermione an annoying know-it-all....

how is that feminist

how is calling a smart female character who likes to read an annoying know it all feminist

i just

what

[–] Tnetennba 18 points (+18|-0)

Snape did the same thing.

[–] kalina 19 points (+19|-0)

ironically TRAs seem to absolutely love Snape

[–] NewMa 10 points (+10|-0)

A greasy haired emo dude who never got laid or in a real relationship on the basis of some pretty sketch personal reflections as a loved character by people who never get laid or in a real relationship on the basis of some pretty sketch personal reflection?

Never.

[–] NotCis 14 points (+14|-0)

Honestly, I think gender extremists know that everyone in the books recognizes Hermione as a girl (she's never been misgendered) and they're insanely jealous. Why not? That would be just as deranged as the rest of these tweets.

[–] slendernan 10 points (+10|-0)

This is something I commented to her about, that apparently HER feminism is about putting other women down lol because that's basically how she sounds.

[–] Jacknife 5 points (+5|-0)

It actually looks like some kind of strawman argument, they probably just don't know the material though.

[–] QueenSansa [OP] 42 points (+42|-0)

I apologize for the repost, but I originally posted this on o/cancelled because I misunderstood the rules.

Just a few years ago, these same people were obsessed with Harry Potter. I know because I was one of them. The only difference is that I still love HP and JK Rowling. It’s so obvious that they’re picking apart the books and just looking for any reason to shit on JK. It’s beyond pathetic and it always has been.

Hermione Granger has always been a feminist character. She taught generations of girls that it was okay to be interested in books and bossy, while not being conventionally attractive. I truly DESPISE these people for tearing apart a book series for children.

Their argument is that Hermione has no female friends, but she becomes best friends with Ginny in the later books. It was around Goblet of Fire I believe. She's friendly with Luna and Fleur, as well as the Gryffindor girls in her year. They’re not even informed of the material that they’re shitting on.

Also, Hermione was a total “terf” as Vanessa Vokey pointed out. The girls dorms are protected from boys entering. If a boy sets foot on the stairs leading to the girls rooms, they turn into a slide and magically send the boys flying out and Hermione loves that shit.

[–] pennygadget 49 points (+49|-0)

Their argument is that Hermione has no female friends, but she becomes best friends with Ginny in the later books.

We also don't see Hermione bonding with female friends very much because the books are written in HARRY'S perspective. Its the same reason we don't see much of Ron hanging out with people besides Harry or Hermione. Harry isn't going to be around for that

IMO, these people are just looking for shit in the books to justify hating Rowling and somehow prove she was telegraphing her evil intentions back when she wrote the books

[–] rad-sage-fem 23 points (+23|-0)

Exactly! And the books were written in the 90s/early 2000s. People forget that it was a different time. Boys didn't (and still don't, mostly) read books about female characters.

[–] questioningtw 7 points (+7|-0)

I am actually getting pissed off at people saying the books are actually antisematic. That is just a bold faced lie.

[–] ArmyofMe 16 points (+16|-0)

Hermione was very good friends with Ginny and also appeared to get along with Luna, Tonks, and other female characters in the series.

[–] XX_Power 16 points (+16|-0)

You just reminded me of that part where Molly Weasley hates her for a while because she believes the lies in the daily prophet. I hated Molly since then and never understood how she is always touted as so loving and amazing. Hermione was literally a child, there is no excuse for Molly's awful behavior.

[–] NewMa 6 points (+6|-0)

Adults being shitty is a great theme in that series. Scrimegour or however you spell it, the Malfoys, Umbridge, Snape, and Molly Weasley among them.

Honestly there aren't a ton of consistently non-shitty adults...Remus and Tonks Lupin...Arthur Weasley.... McGonnagal, maybe.

[–] Jacknife 11 points (+11|-0)

If a boy sets foot on the stairs leading to the girls rooms, they turn into a slide and magically send the boys flying out and Hermione loves that shit.

As far as I remember that is only mentioned one time and Hermione mentions the founders trusting girls more as a reason.

[–] hermiona52 6 points (+6|-0)

I'm so glad that as a kid I stumbled upon Harry Potter books in our school's library. Hermione was the best role model for my younger self.

[–] ArmyofMe 27 points (+27|-0)

“Not having any friends”

Did they read the books?

[–] NotCis 10 points (+10|-0)

They're so, so limited in their thinking. They can't even fathom the thought that there are boys and girls and that they can be friends and that loyalty and fighting for what's right actually matter. I actually feel so bad for them. It must be such a sad existence to not even be able to recognize friendships in literature, let alone maintain their own.

[–] digestif 23 points (+23|-0)

Hermione only befriending Ron and Harry (or better: these three becoming friends) in the beginning makes perfect sense, though.
She's kind of an outcast for having a muggle-background and not really having any experience in the wizarding-world.
Harry is, well, he's Harry, outcast as well. And Ron is a Weasly which are also not in the highest standing.
If anything Hermione's character is getting the message across that befriending everybody and pandering to everyone's wishes and desires isn't really desireable.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 21 points (+21|-0) Edited

Do they even realize how misogynistic they are being?

Hermione is “annoying” and “has no friends” means she’s not “feminist”.

FFS! The fact that she DOESNT fit typical "be quiet and sit down while looking pretty" stereotypes is precisely why she’s feminist. She’s smart, doesn’t restrain herself when she knows she’s right( like a man would) and doesn’t care if the other kids find it off putting.

Edit: format

[–] surfnterf 1 points (+1|-0)

What does that say to young girls who might be perceived by some, or view themselves as annoying, or who feel socially isolated? "Sorry, but my feminism isn't for you and we don't want you either."

Or just a girl who is smart and assertive is “annoying” and “bossy”.

It’s the definition of misogyny.

[–] hedgehog 20 points (+20|-0)

"I never read those books but everything about Joanne makes a lot more sense, hearing this."

Aight, this tweet singlehandedly summarizes this whole absurd twitter thread. Are these people for real?

[–] rad-sage-fem 19 points (+19|-0)

The tweets about SPEW and how it suggests that enslaved people like being enslaved therefore JKR is a bigot... What a limited and literal interpretation of that storyline. JKR writes with so many more layers than that. You could liken it more to a commentary of why people stay in abusive relationship (like JKR was in), or how many women are right at this moment being complicit in our own oppression.

[–] Barber_Acrobatic 20 points (+21|-1)

I think the SPEW plotline is actually really interesting and the 'well aktually..' types just miss it in favour of pure black and white thinking. I mean you have a situation that Hermione as an outsider sees is really wrong but, because she's a teen she approaches it in a very bullish way and essentially gets the backs up of the very people she's trying to help. You could tease out a really interesting essay discussing the issues of whether house elves have free will or if they're simple brainwashed into serving wizards. I'm bored of people thinking that because a book raises a nuanced concept that it must automatically mean that the author is advocating for it.

It seems to have got to the stage where anything other than immediate condemnation of the issue is 'problematic', and people are in real danger of losing the ability to actually critically discuss matters. We're fast become a society of puritans who can't cope with any deviation from the norm

[–] Tnetennba 11 points (+12|-1) Edited

We're fast become a society of puritans who can't cope with any deviation from the norm

Becoming? That's how the US literally started!

All the uptight assholes left Europe and came here.

Ha! I wonder if the puritans knew they were uptight arseholes?

It's baffling that the people who think they're the most open and free with the 'we accept any kinks without consideration' mentality are actually really rigid in terms of the social norms that people have to comply with to remain a part of the in group.

I've noticed it a lot with online dating. I tend to avoid anyone who has no tories (or terfs) in their bio. Not because I have any particular love for Johnson and his cronies but because I've tended to find that the sort of people to openly declare the type of people they won't consort with tend to be the types I don't get on with whatever the political persuasion. (Also I'm very aware that I've dropped myself in the 'if there's one thing I won't tolerate it's intolerance trap', whoops)

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

Why can George R.R. Martin write about rape freely and not be accused of being a rapist?

Oh that’s right, he has a penis.

[–] NotCis 19 points (+19|-0)

Fuck no. Hermione Granger is the best character in the book. I don't give a fuck if they want to slander her.

[–] hermiona52 11 points (+11|-0)

I would pay soooo much for the entire series written from Hermione's perspective.

[–] VirginiaW 17 points (+17|-0)

It was all the hate directed at JKRowling that started me looking into things that finally peaked me. I’ve seen this happening to other famous women writers. It’s part of the patriarchy to find a supposed flaw, and cancel them. Like Lillian Hellman who was our most successful playwright. Cancelled for not being truthful. Fuck that!

[–] BluecatSarah 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

It’s a generation thing too. Very few women who achieve success are allowed to be regarded as respected elders. They must be erased or diminished or put in the “old/irrelevant” box.

It also means younger women coming up lack role models & mentors, and the women they may have looked up to in their teens & childhood become hit with the obsolescence stick by the time they’re young adults.

I know every generation has to rebel to some extent, but rebelling against elder males comes across more like wanting them to make space for younger males (mainly), whereas rebelling against elder women is more like eradicating them - for younger males and women alike.

It’s almost as if society seems to regard women as if their value in any endeavour is a time-limited & diminishing resource which eventually disappears.

It’s almost as if that’s associated with something else...

[–] spinstah 12 points (+12|-0)

Hermione is a wonderful role model for girls. Knowledgeable, perceptive, inquisitive, brave, tenacious, compassionate, very loyal.

I know of a little girl who did not like to read until she saw Hermione in the movies. Then she started to read to be like Hermione. That's really amazing, isn't it? A female author creates a female character who inspires girls. Perfect example of a feminist character.

[–] starsstorm 11 points (+12|-1) Edited

I have a friend whose like this about hermione. She hates hermione because she’s a ‘bossy’ know it all and she herself is the same kind of woman (gives me unasked for parenting advice and she’s child free for example). She also claims to be feminist, but she’s a libfem.

Hermione is one of my favorite characters because I’m a bookish ‘know it all’. She was one of the first characters I saw myself in.

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