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https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402922169559044096

https://sex-matters.org/?p=12595

https://hiyamaya.net/?page_id=3905

(links to sex matters and Maya's site seem to be working now)

ETA Maya's statement on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOIKlg71LJc

ETA 2 the full ruling

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/60c1cce1d3bf7f4bd9814e39/Maya_Forstater_v_CGD_Europe_and_others_UKEAT0105_20_JOJ.pdf

https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1402922169559044096 https://sex-matters.org/?p=12595 https://hiyamaya.net/?page_id=3905 (links to sex matters and Maya's site seem to be working now) ETA Maya's statement on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOIKlg71LJc ETA 2 the full ruling https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/60c1cce1d3bf7f4bd9814e39/Maya_Forstater_v_CGD_Europe_and_others_UKEAT0105_20_JOJ.pdf

36 comments

[–] radically_done 67 points (+67|-0)

I am only a few pages into reading the full judgement. Absolutely elated that she won, but disappointed by a lot of the language used thus far into the judgement; they spend an unreasonable amount of paper going on and on about the "real harms trans people go through" and the "harassment of misgendering". Cry me a river. Maya lost her job; what harms do trans people in a country like the UK go through that are worse than everyone else and aren't self inflicted?

[–] common_shrew 42 points (+42|-0)

Yes I was also surprised at the lengths they went to with that stuff too, even while criticising the fact that the original hearing went too far by starting to evaluate the belief itself.

Also if they’re going to be that finicky about it then joke’s on them because the ruling misgenders Bunce (p5):

b. Later that month, the Claimant made a number of comments about Pips/Philip Bunce, who is a senior director at Credit Suisse and describes himself as being “gender fluid” and “non-binary”.

[–] LadyGlum 17 points (+17|-0)

Bunce's pronouns, last time I checked, were he/she so she wasn't even misgendering him in the first place.

[–] common_shrew 7 points (+7|-0)

True! If she did, then so did this ruling. I would have expected the ruling to refer to “himself/herself” since it was being so particular about that stuff.

[–] XX_Power 8 points (+8|-0)

Hahahahaha that's amazing! Goes to show how few people actually believe in this nonsense

[–] Carthimundia 32 points (+32|-0)

So while I was rolling my eyes at this, I think it was actually strategically clever from the court. After the Keira Bell judgment the female judge (of course) was attacked, called a transphobe etc even by some lawyers (like Jo Maugham.) Even though the judgment had nothing to do with contraception, the TRAs jumped on it saying it would be used to deny teenagers abortions and contraceptives.

The court realises this is a very sensitive political hot potato, and they realise that misinformation is rife. After Maya's hearing there was loads of screeching from the TRAS that if she wins it would make misgendering legal, trans people could be fired for being trans etc. By laying it out so clearly, the court has blocked any avenue the TRAS might want to take in saying this judgment is 'transphobic'.

[–] jennagc 6 points (+6|-0)

Totally! That's what I told myself anyway, as I was really dismayed, at first, to read all their pander-fluff. Although I am still so disgusted with CGD's reaction. If I were her, I would sue them for workplace discrimination and damages. But I can also see her just not wanting to deal with it anymore. It would be awesome if she could file a suit and win, maybe it would discourage other employers from being completely obtuse on this issue. In any case, I am so grateful for this outcome. Hope we start to see victories like this in the US. Although there is the case of that gym teacher in Virginia being suspended for refusing to use his student's preferred pronouns. Thankfully, the school was ultimately ordered to allow him to return to work after it was ruled that his views were protected under freedom of speech and freedom of religious beliefs.

[–] Vulvamort 3 points (+3|-0)

That was my thought too. They had to make their argument as water tight as possible. Obviously TRAs will find something to complain about regardless, but the less ammo they're given, the better.

[–] lucretiamott 28 points (+28|-0)

When they get 'misgendered' they lose their erections - much worse than a woman losing her job!

Seriously though, I read it as well and I agree it was very sympathetic to t people. All those whining about it on twitter probably haven't read it because it treats the T with the softest of kid gloves.

[–] SterlingWitch 13 points (+13|-0)

Came here to say exactly this! The whole beginning is a cushion, pandering to their egos. I cannot believe that much fluff made it into a legal case.