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UK feminist Maya Forstater has just won a major victory in defending the ability to express gender critical ideas in the workplace. Naturally, all of us at Ovarit, and radical and gender critical feminists everywhere are cock-a-hoop!

Please confine the discussion to this thread and post all new articles here so that the rest of /o/GenderCritical doesn't get swamped in material relating to this case, and so that we have all it all in one place for future reference.

I'll collate important links here and update as they come in. Add anything good you find to the comments and I'll pop it up here when I get the time.

OVARIT REACTS

FEMINIST RESPONSES

LEGAL RESPONSES

MAINSTREAM MEDIA

LGBT++ PRESS

UK feminist Maya Forstater has just won a major victory in defending the ability to express gender critical ideas in the workplace. Naturally, all of us at Ovarit, and radical and gender critical feminists everywhere are cock-a-hoop! Please confine the discussion to this thread and post all new articles here so that the rest of /o/GenderCritical doesn't get swamped in material relating to this case, and so that we have all it all in one place for future reference. I'll collate important links here and update as they come in. Add anything good you find to the comments and I'll pop it up here when I get the time. **OVARIT REACTS** - "[Gender critical beliefs ARE worthy of respect in a democratic society" - Maya Forstater case](https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/33616/gender-critical-beliefs-are-worthy-of-respect-in-a-democratic-society-maya-forst) from /u/endthewoo - [Maya Forstater won! (twitter.com)](https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/33614/maya-forstater-won) **FEMINIST RESPONSES** - [The Critic: Jo Bartosch - A victory for free speech and sex-based rights](https://thecritic.co.uk/a-victory-for-free-speech-and-sex-based-rights/) - [The Telegraph: Suzanne Moore - Maya Forstater's victory injects some good sense into the toxic trans debate](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/10/maya-forstaters-victory-injects-good-sense-toxic-trans-debate/) [[Archive](https://archive.fo/hreER)] - [WOLF: “The Tribunal Failed to Remain Neutral": Lessons from the UK on freedom of belief](https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/the-tribunal-failed-to-remain-neutral-lessons-from-the-uk-on-freedom-of-belief) - [Sex Matters: We are worthy of respect in a democratic society](https://sex-matters.org/posts/updates/gender-critical-beliefs-are-worthy-of-respect-in-a-democratic-society/) - [Unherd: Video interview with Maya Forstater (28 mins)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=jEqr5cIqYsg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1NqiHak7_TzwSzNKsI2Dbv9zsqMGcH-oED8Dbk9cy-38Parsj-bxD8JwA) - [Merched Cymru: The Forstater Judgment: Implications for Wales](https://merchedcymru.wales/2021/06/11/the-forstater-judgment-implications-for-wales/) - [Morning Star: Ruth Serwotka - A light has been shone on women’s rights for all the world to see](https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/light-has-been-shone-one-womens-rights-all-world-see) **LEGAL RESPONSES** - [The Forstater Judgment: What Next? (by Maya's lawyer)](https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/33619/the-forstater-judgment-what-next-by-maya-s-lawyer) - [Lesbian and Gay News: Maya victorious: Court rules gender critical beliefs are a protected characteristic, writes LGN legal commentator Dennis Kavanagh](https://lesbianandgaynews.com/2021/06/maya-victorious-court-rules-gender-critical-beliefs-are-a-protected-characteristic-writes-lgn-legal-commentator-dennis-kavanagh/) - [Forstater v CGD Europe & others](https://oldsquare.co.uk/forstater-v-cgd-europe-others/) - first posted by /u/ChristinaXYZ **MAINSTREAM MEDIA** - [The Times: Woman who lost job over transgender tweets wins appeal](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/woman-who-lost-job-over-transgender-tweets-wins-appeal-0l5qjmxvq) - [The Guardian: Gender-critical views are a protected belief, appeal tribunal rules](https://www.theguardian.com/law/2021/jun/10/gender-critical-views-protected-belief-appeal-tribunal-rules-maya-forstater) - [BBC: Maya Forstater: Woman wins tribunal appeal over transgender tweets](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57426579) - [Yahoo: Woman who lost her job — but gained J.K. Rowling's support — over trans tweets wins appeal](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/woman-who-lost-her-job-but-gained-jk-rowlings-support-over-trans-tweets-wins-appeal-180435503.html) - [The Times: The Times view on the Maya Forstater verdict: Right to Think](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-the-maya-forstater-verdict-right-to-think-qgvbgb0dc) - Daily Mail: [Interview with Maya. 'I was just fighting for everyone's right to hold an opinion': Mother who lost her job for saying trans women can never be truly female speaks out after landmark court victory backed by JK Rowling ](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9680247/Mother-lost-job-saying-trans-women-never-truly-female-speaks-out.html) [[Archive link](https://archive.fo/E89Px)] - [LBC: Maya Forstater: Why I'm standing up for people with gender critical beliefs](https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/maya-forstater-woman-lost-job-over-gender-tweets-says-word-woman-excludes-males/) - [SKY (Video) Woman sacked over gender-critical views wins court appeal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmIl4zrIX0) **LGBT++ PRESS** - [British court rules in favour of researcher in transgender tweet row](https://www.openlynews.com/i/?id=ff4d471e-190a-4e0a-ab79-ded6cbe24fb7) - DIVA: Jane Fae - [A minor but inconsequential victory: Director of TransActual and Chair of Trans Media Watch reflects on the Maya Forstater case](https://divamag.co.uk/2021/06/11/a-minor-but-inconsequential-victory-director-of-transactual-and-chair-of-trans-media-watch-reflects-on-the-maya-forstater-case/amp/?__twitter_impression=true) (this one is quite unhinged)

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[–] EvenMoreMinty 2 points (+2|-0)

Heard about Maya winning earlier today. Haven't stopped grinning.

[–] Turtlefuzz 2 points (+2|-0)

I love this from the yahoo article:

The think tank Center for Global Development, where Forstater, a tax expert, had been a visiting fellow when her contract was not renewed over her controversial statements, issued a statement calling the decision “a step backwards.”

“The decision is disappointing and surprising because we believe Judge Tayler got it right when he found this type of offensive speech causes harm to trans people, and therefore could not be protected under the Equality Act,” reads the statement on CGD’s website. “Today’s decision is a step backwards for inclusivity and equality for all. We’re currently considering the various paths forward with our lawyers.”

I'll take this win with extra salt please!

[–] Radical 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

Does this mean TRAs can't threaten to report British GC feminists to their employers anymore?

If an employer fired a GC feminist because of her beliefs, would that be classified as an unfair dismissal and would she able to pursue legal action?

Will TRAs receive a warning, fine or any other consequences for wasting police time if they report feminists for expressing her gender critical beliefs?

[–] lucrecia 6 points (+6|-0)

Yes, the employer would be acting unlawfully. It would also be unlawful to discriminate against gender-critical people when hiring. And it would be unlawful to discriminate against someone because of their association with someone with gender-critical views. And it would be unlawful to harass people with those views, so a workplace that throws the word "terf" around may find itself facing claims of having created a hostile environment.

[–] f_by_nature 4 points (+4|-0)

It's great news, exactly what common sense would suggest - affirming the appropriateness of being able to recognise biological sex.

Not sure if anyone else has shared this, but just came across this by Lily Maynard: https://lilymaynard.com/things-the-ruling-does-not-give-maya-forstater-the-right-to-do/ (I haven't even finished it and already I'm laughing)

[–] mkfain 6 points (+6|-0)

"The Tribunal Failed to Remain Neutral": Lessons from the UK on Freedom of Belief

(WoLF is now seeking information on the ideological capture of the legal profession in the United States)

https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/the-tribunal-failed-to-remain-neutral-lessons-from-the-uk-on-freedom-of-belief

[–] KaraZor-El_21 10 points (+10|-0)

Thank you for this post! I am very happy she won! It is such a huge win for gender-critical thinkers. It is also a vindication to Maya, to her supporters, and to many other women who have been cancelled or forced to be silent for having such.

By the way, thank you for letting me be part of ovarit! It is been difficult to have gender-critical views and yet have no place to speak my mind. I have tried to voice my thoughts on social media once but have regretted that soon after. People are easy to judge/brand others without discussion. Lack of discourse could lead to misinformation and misunderstanding. Some even chastised me for taking a while before having an opinion. I am just the type to take time to process things; learn as much as I can on both sides; then formulate my opinion. Processing involves discourse and with the lack of it, processing takes more time for me. So thank you for letting me join! I am happy to have found a community where I can stand in solidarity with my fellow women!

Congratulations Maya! This is such a win for gender gender-critical thought! Thank you!

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 20 points (+20|-0)

There is an urgent need now to question the wisdom of grouping all LGBT people together as a homogenous single group, classified and defined solely by reference to Gender Theory. For Gender Critical gays and lesbians, transgender status is a wholly different category of characteristic from sexual orientation. The legal right (indeed necessity) of same-sex attracted people to organise together is underlined by this judgment.

YES!!!!! ALLIANCE LGB!

[–] worried19 26 points (+26|-0)

I love how the American media is purposely ignoring it, just like they did with Keira Bell.

I went to Google News and clicked the "World" section. No mention of this story. If I search for Forstater, it brings up a handful of overseas articles. The only one that appears to be American-based is from Yahoo News:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/woman-who-lost-her-job-but-gained-jk-rowlings-support-over-trans-tweets-wins-appeal-180435503.html

No other American outlets appear to be reporting on it. If you can find any, let me know. It seems to be very intentional. Apparently some fisherman who caught a 6 foot halibut in the North Sea deserves to be linked in the Google News World section, but not Maya Forstater.

[–] Mirren 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

Terrible. In the UK, amusingly, at time of writing, the Guardian doesn't have Maya's win on the front page, but it's still coming up in the most read section.

So in the UK, REALITY is a "philosophical belief"!?!?!? WTALF.

the original tribunal had been wrong not to consider Ms Forstater's views as a philosophical belief protected by the Equality Act.

"individuals are entitled not to be discriminated against because of gender critical beliefs... and gives those beliefs the same legal protection as religious beliefs, environmental beliefs and ethical veganism".

Equating REALITY with religion???

"Your Honour, my client deeply holds the philosophical view that the Earth revolves around the sun. This is her sincere belief."

"OBJECTION! Stating that belief in the work place is harmful to those who espouse Geocentric Theory. This is a direct threat against Geocentrists and cannot be expressed!"

This is where the UK is at?

[–] bobo 4 points (+4|-0)

At first glance, it sounds condescending, but I’ve been told that the term “belief” has a very specific definition within the UK legal system, which is why it’s being used in the rulings.

[–] bellatrixbells 4 points (+4|-0)

That's also what I thought. It's also very much insulting to think that women recognizing each other on the basis of our fucking sexed characteristics is "a philosophical belief".

They're literally turning our very existence into a "belief" like wtf we're not fairies, we're right here !!?!?!?

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