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So I've been reading everything posted on the Maya ruling, and it seems to me GC folks need to be thinking about next steps and what those would be.

For example, the ruling talks about how DEI training that takes only a Gender Ideology-accepting approach might open an employer up to litigation for creating a hostile workplace for GC people. So should Sex Matters or another organization create a Gender Critical training that employers could give to protect themselves from such litigation? Could such a GC training actually help re-take some of these captured organizations?

And are there other things that come to mind that could be used to ensure the Maya ruling actually changes things? What are your thoughts?

So I've been reading everything posted on the Maya ruling, and it seems to me GC folks need to be thinking about next steps and what those would be. For example, the ruling talks about how DEI training that takes only a Gender Ideology-accepting approach might open an employer up to litigation for creating a hostile workplace for GC people. So should Sex Matters or another organization create a Gender Critical training that employers could give to protect themselves from such litigation? Could such a GC training actually help re-take some of these captured organizations? And are there other things that come to mind that could be used to ensure the Maya ruling actually changes things? What are your thoughts?

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[–] mil-bil 4 points (+4|-0)

I'm so happy about the outcome of Maya's appeal! It gives me hope, but also fear that here, in the US, we have a long way to go.

I'm incredibly impressed by and infinitely grateful to those in Britain thanks to whose work I've been able to understand the issues better. I don't even know how we can move things in the US. No offense to Women's Liberation Front who are doing fantastic work but... I hate to say it... we'd need an organization without the words "liberation front" in the name to bring the debate into the mainstream. Our political system is painfully and detrimentally divided.

[–] VeggieAnnie 1 points (+1|-0)

I agree. But the areas where I see hope are instances of bi-partisan work around specific issues. For example, women's sports acts. I think in the US we aren't going to topple the house of cards at the bottom (with a wide-sweeping and coherent argument against ideology). I think we are going to have to pick apart each issue. And as each issue comes to the fore (like women's sports these days), then people will ask the big questions for themselves: What makes these boys say they are girls? What does hormone treatment involve? Is that really safe? etc. It will be slow work, but...one. bipartisan. issue-based. argument at a time.

[–] mil-bil 0 points (+0|-0)

I agree with you. I think the sports issue appears to be the one with the most potential at this point. I don't yet know what to make of that... I really, really hope it can be the beginning of a larger serious conversation. I feel like I've woken up to a reality where several laws have been quietly rewritten without any consultation. I'm still struggling to grasp how it happened.

[–] VeggieAnnie 1 points (+1|-0)

"Just woken up ... how did it happen?" Well. I have three words that are going to change your life. The Denton's Document.

Now, I haven't actually read it, because I'm a little afraid to. I'm afraid it will make me too angry. But from what everyone says, it is a document produced by a legal firm to outline lobbying/policy-writing techniques to get gender woo woo policies passed quickly and quietly.

[–] itsnotaboutewe 7 points (+7|-0)

I'm hoping all this type of training is abolished. By teaching GC and Gender Ideology (and any other belief system for that matter) in workplaces and schools we are bringing philosophical and personal beliefs into these places where they don't belong. We shouldn't have to be indoctrinated into a new religion when we take a new job. They need to leave private beliefs in the private sphere where they belong.

[–] Ghostfem 1 points (+1|-0)

This, this! And it counts double for public education. I don't want schools turning into cults.

[–] RawSienna 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

The only “training” I want at my workplace should be those necessary to do my job. As long as the workplace has solid sexual harassment and anti bullying policies in place, potential employees should be screened at interviews for having acceptable social skills to work adequately with others.

Edit: to clarify, all “training” (DEI/woke) does is make people feel infantilized and resentful and like they’re being preached at. Strong anti harassment policies should be good enough as long as a company has hired well and does not tolerate any politicized bullshit in its workplace.

Women who have lost their jobs should demand them back. Anyone being discriminated against, needs to make a stink now, including students being investigated for being GC. We need to speak now as never before, because I don't know if this will stand for long. But when the next wave of push back from the TRAs come, we need to have taken half their fan base.

[–] BellHooks 1 points (+1|-0)

I agree with this. I think our next step is to encourage GC voices to speak up at universities, work, home etc. The law is on our side. And l know there is more of us than them. If a GC voice had spoken up in my lectures 3 years ago l would have had the courage to stand up too. We need to attack their Ace card, which has been to silence people & threats of losing your job etc. In my country people are very vocal against the LGBTQ++ for their doxxing of people. As such people have started getting lgbtq++ voices that harass people to be fired. What's also helped us here is that class issues are very vast & majority of TRAs are wealthy or upper middle class. So working class people band together and use their tactics against them & they support each other when there's an attempted doxxing of someone they like. If we take the fear factor away and empower GC voices to speak out we will see massive change. We need to challenge this ideology everywhere. That's how we take back our power. They rose to power by silencing critical thought. We rise above it by encouraging critical thinking and questioning this ideology.

I'm wondering also if university faculty could start re-creating Women's Studies Programs, in contrast to the Gender Studies Programs that most currently have?

Please yes. They are not remotely the same. Can we not at least have both?

[–] Foxglove 11 points (+11|-0)

I agree with you that women should use the momentum created by this case, but I wonder how helpful training really is? I've read some articles that said it doesn't accomplish anything and may actually cause resentment and backlash. I think the best way is to make sure sex is one of the protected characteristics in company and government policies, and that sex is never replaced by gender.

I think training is an amazing idea, for the workplace and for educational settings (primary, secondary and further/higher education). More literature/educational materials additionally would be great because people don't know their rights with regards to their speech and single sex accommodations. Health and social care seems to be the most "infected" by gender ideology despite the fact the most vulnerable females are in need of supportive services in these areas - I'd want managers and staff to be empowered by knowing they have a right to refuse service/signpost males away to other services in the case of refuges, hospital wards, residential care, etc.

I wish instead of GC it was called Gender Critical Reality. Reality Training seems to be in order.

"Some of you might have heard these slogans 'born in the wrong body' or 'trans women are women.' I'm sure most of you reacted with 'No. That doesn't sound right.' If I told you I had eaten an orange for lunch, and this orange was the most wonderful deep blue color, you would think 'Hey, wait a minute' because we know oranges are orange and not blue. Today we're going to look at gaslighting, brainwashing, and other cult practices that you might encounter in the workplace. We'll talk about how to report them, how to remove them, and the legal actions you can take if you fall victim."

THAT is the training speech opening I want to hear.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 44 points (+44|-0)

I'm wondering if this means they'll have to drop the case against Marion Millar.

[–] mil-bil 4 points (+4|-0)

That would be wonderful. I think it will take more work but Marion's lawyer now has this ruling to bring into the argumentation. It's incredibly important.

[–] jelliknight 25 points (+25|-0)

im wondering if it gives her a case to sue for violation of her human rights.

[–] crodish 20 points (+20|-0)

Yes! Eat their cake! I'll be cheering when this happens.