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[–] satanic 35 points (+35|-0)

I keep wondering why they they're adding stuff to the original flag. I mean, it's a RAINBOW. Isn't that inclusive enough?

[–] no- 16 points (+16|-0)

Because LGB people are gay and icky and straight people would rather support other straight people, of course, making the alphabet soup community their dump for all the issues that don't fit anywhere else.

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 6 points (+6|-0) Edited

It's easier to piggback on an established movement instead of starting your own. It's easier to say "if you support gays and lesbians, you must also support Y and Z, because that's what you do when you want to be InCLuSive!" than to fight for the legitimacy of your movement by yourself. "Transphobia" is just one more thing that's being tacked onto the list of behaviors which have previously been recognized as bad. It's just all said in the same breath ("we stand against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia"), so people don't notice that one of them is decidedly different from the rest, and just because you slap the inclusivity/diversity label on it, it doesn't automatically make it right.

[–] Free_Metis 26 points (+26|-0)

FFS

Intersex refers to "differences in [...] genitals, chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive anatomy." It's not a sexuality and it's not an identity. It's physical. Biological. Observable.

I bet this was done to confuse more people. Pretty sure intersex people don't want to be included in the alphabet soup.

They’re disorders. Physical disorders that can have serious health consequences. (“Differences” seems like a euphemism that implies a normal variation, to me.) Nothing like the wilfully disordered thinking and opt-in sterilisation of the “trans”.

[–] Free_Metis 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I just used the definition from the interAct website. I guess the term "disorders" is controversial.

“Disorder” or “difference of sex development” (DSD) is still a common medical term for intersex traits. Many intersex people reject the term “DSD” because it supports the idea that their bodies are wrong, or up to doctors to “fix.”

ETA: But, yes, I think we're in agreement that intersex shouldn't be lumped in with trans.

Personally, I feel that the word "differences" is flimsy and vague as a definition in general, but even more so when it comes to the complex nature of intersex conditions.

That always seems strange to me. Having a disorder, something that affects how your body functions, isn’t a comment about the person. I know people with DSDs have been subjected to “corrective” surgery, which is atrocious, and the reaction is understandable, but I fear it plays into the hands of the pervert brigade who are pretending “sex is a spectrum”.

[–] Eava 1 points (+1|-0)

This quote is ridiculous. "Intersexuality, according to Planned Parenthood, is when “a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t fit the boxes of “female” or “male”. It is natural and not considered to require medical treatment." Some intersex conditions absolutely require medical treatment.

Planned Parenthood is all aboard the trans train, so no wonder they come up with such idiocy!

[–] Tnetennba 1 points (+1|-0)

People seriously underestimate the amount of health problems that come with a DSD. It's not pretty, it's brutal and time consuming and depressing.

Yes, exactly, which is why calling them “differences” seems foolish. It’s not being a redhead vs being brunette, or even having myopia.

[–] flapyourwings 20 points (+20|-0)

As all these other identities/axes slowly but surely cover up and take over the rainbow...if that ain't symbolic.

[–] KissMyOvaries 20 points (+20|-0)

Well it’s been 5 minutes, the flag was due for a change. 😩

[–] maypelsyrup 17 points (+17|-0)

I've heard some refer to intersex people as "queer bodies" which is so incredibly insane.

it would make sense to include intersex with LGBT if LGBT focused on accepting people who are gender nonconforming rather than pushing GNC people to transition.

It's poignant that a major part of intersex rights is to dissuade doctors from immediately pushing children with ambiguous genitals to have "normalizing" surgery, with advocates often mentioning a lack of sexual pleasure... meanwhile trans rights are saying that SRS makes your genitals indistinguishable from the opposite sex's, you will 100% be able to orgasm and it'll be even better if you get "the right doctor", and push medicalizing your body over anything else.

[–] Free_Metis 9 points (+9|-0)

Exactly this. The trans agenda is like the opposite of what intersex people are fighting for.

[–] Mikkal 15 points (+15|-0)

Had to go look at the reddit reaction, and this really made me laugh:

  • What's the colour that best represents "allergic to tomatoes"?
  • Now there's a group I'm willing to discriminate against everyday, allergic to tomatoes, what a bunch of assholes
  • And we can't even throw tomatoes at them. They claim it's murdeeeerrrrr.
[–] chavela [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

I thought the Intersex community didn’t see themselves as part of the LGBTQ+ / TRA communities? Is this to further the TRA argument that intersex proves that gender is a continuum, despite the intersex’s community insistence that they are not part of this? I am genuinely curious.

[–] Free_Metis 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

Is this to further the TRA argument that intersex proves that gender is a continuum

That is my belief, yes. Although, I think they're trying to prove that sex is a continuum. Which is a scarier thought that people believe this. It's anti-science

[–] ChairwomanMeow 11 points (+11|-0)

TRAs have been working very hard to pull them in, even if true intersex people don't want to be part of it. They'll do anything to push their agenda. Anything.

True intersex people who really do have predominant sexual characteristics that are different than their sex assigned at birth are something like 0.01% of the population (1 in 10,000). They are exceptionally rare. But TRAs would have you think they are a reasonably large percentage of the population..

[–] Hermione 0 points (+0|-0)

Can you explain what you mean by “true intersex” and what having different sexual characteristics than their assigned sex at birth means? Does it mean for example being intersex, but thought to be closest to female and then at puberty more male characteristics come out?

[–] tanso 4 points (+4|-0)

TRAs have been coopting intersex for decades now. I would say "true intersex" refers to those who have an actual medical intersex condition, and not TRAs who self-diagnose and lie about their sexual characteristics to appropriate intersex identities for their own self-promotion.

Intersex disorders are the exceptions proving the rule, and intersex individuals are still bound by the limits of of genes and sexually-dimorphic biology. Most intersex individuals don't even have chromosomes that contradict their biological development, but are clearly male or female in phenotype and karyotype but with stigmatized sexual development, resulting in, for instance, abnormal genital development, incongruent secondary sexual characteristics, hormone imbalances, etc. The ones whose phenotypic sex differs from karyotype are much rarer, and their circumstances can be more complicated as a result. The idea of "intersex" has always been seen as something for doctors and surgeons to alter and fix to make disordered bodies conform to patriarchal expectations, and the intersex desire for freedom from medical violation is the fundamental opposite of what TRAs want.

TRAs try to mislead people into thinking these rare cases are much more common, and that these disorders can be self-diagnosed and identified into in order to manipulate people into associating transgenderism with disorders of sexual development. There are intersex people who are TRAs, but that doesn't justify the trans appropriation of the intersex experience.

The experience of an XY phenotypic female or an XX phenotypic male is completely different from that of a normal, perfectly healthy individual choosing to identify as the opposite sex, but no one respects intersex people. Part of the issue is how stigmatized these sexual disorders are and how rare they are. Both of these factors prevent effective intersex community building, which leaves voyeuristic fetishists, who get off on pretending they're intersex, free to take over just because of their greater numbers and visibility.

[–] GCRadFem 7 points (+7|-0)

Anyone else that could possibly be thrown in the mix?

TRAS want intersex people added because they think that somehow it makes their gender nonsense more valid in some way.

That flag is so far from the original meaning of the flag it’s ridiculous. It was originally for lesbians, gay men and bisexuals.

Now? It is a hot mess.

[–] bellatrixbells 6 points (+6|-0) Edited

Pedos, probaby. Eventually maybe rapists. I mean isn't that what "no kink shaming" leads to ?

Edit : used wrong word haha

"MAPs" (ugh) will definitely be added sooner or later if this bullshit isn' t stopped.

[–] crodish 6 points (+6|-0) Edited

It's so stupid, they already have their 1000 uNiqUe individual flags. Black and brown races aren't a sexual orientation. Nor is trans. Nor is intersex! And they keeping dragging the I in and appropriating them and it's so fucking disrespectful and harmful because of the misinformation it spreads.

[–] LilianH 2 points (+2|-0)

I guess someone finally pointed out the massive white pointy part of the flag looked a bit off and they said "quick shove something else in there" and this was the best they could come up with.

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