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On that locked thread on Girlsgonewired, there is a huge post apologizing for being brigaded by those evil TERFS that think women should be fine with being called non men, and all the women on there are glad that those mean TERFS are gone. Apparently, Girlgamers is the same way, even though it is called girlgamers, the subreddit is inclusive to non binary people too. I thought the women in welding group was safe from this, but now there are a bunch of women saying they are non binary and they want the name of the group changed. There is also a TIF there, that goes on and on about how no one respects her as a man; even though she is literally in a group called Welding Woman. Why don't these women see the cognitivie dissonance? Men never do this; they would never have a group for men and non women or act like men that want to id as other men are valid and everybody better shut up. Why are there so many women that on the surface seem to be all about fighting gender roles, so fine with women saying they aren't woman because they aren't like other girls. I can acually see why they would be accepting of TIMS if they believe them when they say they are women. But why would you be ok with women, that say they aren't women; but think they should be in your group anyway?

On that locked thread on Girlsgonewired, there is a huge post apologizing for being brigaded by those evil TERFS that think women should be fine with being called non men, and all the women on there are glad that those mean TERFS are gone. Apparently, Girlgamers is the same way, even though it is called girlgamers, the subreddit is inclusive to non binary people too. I thought the women in welding group was safe from this, but now there are a bunch of women saying they are non binary and they want the name of the group changed. There is also a TIF there, that goes on and on about how no one respects her as a man; even though she is literally in a group called Welding Woman. Why don't these women see the cognitivie dissonance? Men never do this; they would never have a group for men and non women or act like men that want to id as other men are valid and everybody better shut up. Why are there so many women that on the surface seem to be all about fighting gender roles, so fine with women saying they aren't woman because they aren't like other girls. I can acually see why they would be accepting of TIMS if they believe them when they say they are women. But why would you be ok with women, that say they aren't women; but think they should be in your group anyway?

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[–] spacykate 50 points (+50|-0) Edited

My mind is boggling at the following apparent series of events:

Person born female decides they are ~nonbinary.

They join a women's welding group

Demand name change of group because they ~aren't a woman~

Couldn't they have just joined r/welding instead instead of the women's welding group? The whole thing is a giant WTF. If you aren't a woman and don't want to be in a ~womans group then don't join the womens group. Its stupidly simple.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 19 points (+19|-0)

They were already part of the group when they suddenly said they were non binary, because the TIF in the group started talking about transphobia. They should have just left and joined a regular welding group instead of causing a shit ton of drama for zero reason.

[–] fightlikeagirl 24 points (+24|-0) Edited

Only men think the world should be divided into men and non-men. Women's spaces do not need to be rebranded to accommodate gender-specials, they can feel free to join coed spaces instead of demanding that ours change.

(And I miss girlgamers too, it used to be a good sub for discussion but now it's basically just an IG feed of pink battlestations, and their Discord is almost all TIMs).

[–] questioningtw [OP] 11 points (+11|-0)

UGH. I used to post there years ago when they actually talked about games like Diablo or Lara Croft. I lost interest when it seemed to be more about games being woke enough.

[–] HopeSummers -3 points (+3|-6)

There's a lot of complaints about women who only play minecraft/animal crossing not being taken seriously as gamers.

If you call yourself a movie person and only watch Michael Bay films, i wouldn't think you're much of a movie person.

Someone who likes video games and plays them regularly is a gamer. Where's the problem? There's lots of men who play Minecraft excessively, I've never seen them mocked for not being "real gamers", it's only women who are not taken seriously for not playing more "adult" (aka violent) games.

Minecraft and Animal Crossing are games though. SIM games are a legit genre. Someone that is a Michael Bay movie buff is still a type of movie buff.

[–] GrilledPeaches 5 points (+5|-0)

I can't imagine answering to anyone calling me a non man. I am discreet about my views but this might be the thing that outs me.

[–] GCRadFem 17 points (+17|-0)

Even TIFS are not clamoring to join men’s groups unless they are stealth.

Men would just say, Get the fuck outa here and that would be that.

Men own the top of the hierarchy.

Men claiming womanhood?

Even women step aside and invite them right on in.

[–] arachne 14 points (+14|-0)

Nonbinary people are always expected to be included as part of women/girl groups... Like they can identify out of it, but should still be welcomed and included. I suppose their identities mean whatever they want and is convenient at the time. :)

I miss having women gaming groups, too. Girlgamers has a bunch of trans validation posts and then transwomen saying how they are such lesbians and really love female objectification in games, lol.

[–] LesbianHelvetia 5 points (+5|-0)

I'm on a Facebook group for women in my area. The group is huge and I'm glad because no one has ever ask to change the name of the group or that women stop beginning their post with "hey girls I have a question..." and we can still write stuff like "when a woman is on her period..." On the other hand, they're not feminist at all so they're saying stuff like "men don't know how to take care of a home" when one complain about her boyfriend not doing any of the chores. But it's refreshing to escape the wokistan sometimes.

[–] Lilith-Fair 10 points (+10|-0)

All this (OP and comments) just goes to show that even TIFs and NBs don't really believe they're not women. They know they're women, and they know they're just relabeling themselves while still are women.

TIFs call themselves men but they don't ever really want to be natal men or act like natal men. For one thing, they can never really fit in. Biological men might play along to be polite but they'd never truly deal with a TIF like they do with real bros. But that doesn't matter because TIFs also never seem to really want to be in the community of men. They just want to take on male appearances. It's honestly weird as shit. It's like they've created an isolated subset of what they call "men", but these "men" don't even exist in any biological men spaces. They end up coming back to female spaces either due to biological reality (e.g, mensturation, pregnant "men") or when they don't want to miss out of something in women's communities.

I can see the ones like Buck Angel or Chaz Bono fitting in with men after they transition, in fact, those two pretty much act like living as a women was hell, because it should have been obvious they were men. The ones though like the Trill on Discovery: https://www.etonline.com/star-trek-discovery-ian-alexander-on-significance-of-playing-franchises-first-trans-character
or even Elliot Page, I do think have a hard time fitting in with men. There was a few on feminist blogs, that would even talk about how they didn't like men much, it was honestly really annoying. So you don't like men, but want to be one? How does that even work?

[–] Lilith-Fair 0 points (+0|-0)

Even Buck Angel and Chaz Bono won't fit in. From the outward appearance, yes. But sorry, I don't see majority of men treating them as men. They'll treat them as they kind of women who can hang as one of the guys. But that's still not really treating them as men. At the end of the day, men want their men spaces too.

[–] KBash 10 points (+10|-0)

I have seen several articles by women who identify as non-binary, about whether or not they can still join women's groups and apply for women's things.

The answer they arrive at is usually "yes." Only once did I see someone say she decided not to enter her book into a women's literary competition, because if she was rejecting the label woman, then she was no longer eligible.

Cake and eating and all that.

On Reddit I have seen TIFS talk about going for scholarships aimed for women in science or computers or going to the Grace Hopper conferences as well. People really don't see women as fully human do they?

[–] no- 10 points (+10|-0)

I think that women who cling to trans ideology are just scared to acknowledge their biological reality because they're afraid it makes them inferior to men. Which is absolute bs. Yes, women are different from men, we're burdened with the ability to give birth and are physically more vulnerable, but nothing about that makes us inferior. We're just as mentally capable, possibly more, considering men can barely stop obsessing over sex to focus on something productive. We're physically more resilient and tend to live longer. We're better at handling and expressing our emotions, unlike men, who are more prone to violence and anti-social behavior. Physically, we have more flexibility and excel at sports that require it, like gymnastics. That reminds me of these posts, I love Radblr.

I really like those posts. I have actually been called a misandrist for saying that I think women are better at gymnastics than men, or I think that women in general tend to be less arrogant. It is amazing how people are totally ok with acting like women are awful at everything; but if you say somethng positive about women at the expensive of men, you are hateful.

[–] RadfemBlack 2 points (+2|-0)

Thank you so much for linking those posts, I was looking for that one!

[–] GrilledPeaches 6 points (+6|-0)

Does anyone know

Why are so many women calling themselves nonbinary now? It's like a boom and I don't get it

[–] HopeSummers 7 points (+7|-0)

It's a way of (often white) girls to pretend to be a minority without actually doing anything. It's pretty trendy too. They're like the goths and emo kids of 2020.

I sometimes wonder if a lot of women do it because they think opinions won't change and that science has proven that men and women are totally different and that is just the facts. They don't want to hear about how men have literally made it impossible for women to move ahead, they want to hear that they can just ID out of beihg women, and be treated better because of it.

[–] KissMyOvaries 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

Bwahahahahaha.

She thinks she’s never experienced sexism in the workplace!

Ok, now I realize that laughing might have been mean. It’s kind of sad that she can’t see the sexism. I guarantee it exists as it exists everywhere.

Edit. I’m really sick of the notion that everything needs to be inclusive. It doesn’t. It’s sad that society has gotten to a point where you can’t hurt anyone’s feelings anymore by excluding them, even if they don’t belong in the least. Correction, this is just woke BS. The rest of the world doesn’t feel the need to include people who don’t belong.

I kind of wonder if this type of thing ties into the belief that women are fake and superficial, while men may be blunt, but are better friends. Men tend to defend their spaces and their friends and don't really care what people think of them. when your gender role is to be as inclusive and nice as possible to the point that you don't really seem to care about your close friends or group, makes you come across as kind of fake and superficial. Of course though when women decide they aren't going to put up with that shit anymore, people act like they are the worst.

I found it really interesting too that the people that came to jkr defense were all men, and no one really said anything to them. While any woman that came to her defense was cancelled.