[–] hufflepuff-poet 38 points (+38|-0)

They're all soooo close to getting it! Gender isn't an "innate feeling" (that's called a personality), gender is the caste system used to oppress women and girls for being female, gender is a cage not an identity.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 20 points (+20|-0)

Except instead of seeing that gender is complete bullshit; they are trying to say they aren't women because they only relate to being a woman because of sexism.

[–] Every-Man-His-Own-Football 15 points (+15|-0) Edited

There's a rift growing inside the trans community between the female agender/genderfree enbies who want to identify out of gender as they rightfully perceive it to be oppressive, and TIMs who are clearly aware gender is the only way they can identify into womandhood.

It used to be possible to make gender critical arguments under the umbrella of gender abolition, but TIMs are now advancing the notion that gender abolition is transphobic or a "TERF dog whistle".

Here is a recent example: https://www.reddit.com/r/honesttransgender/comments/ohqwxh/gender_abolition_ignorant_cis_people_and_enbies/?sort=controversial

[–] Livin 6 points (+6|-0)

The trans community were the ones who pushed TWAW narrative, and they are the ones who are working to expand the meaning of women so that it becomes meaningless and anyone and everyone can self-id as women. Don't fucking blame actual women for the the meaning behind womanhood being destroyed. If people like Jessica Yaniv and Ruby Eby are "women" and everyone is forced to call them she/hers, then of course the meaning of "woman" is meaningless

[–] PlainSimpleTailor 2 points (+2|-0) Edited

Yep. They basically want gender to stay intact so anyone can identify into womanhood, but they also renounce gender roles because they box you in to a certain set of expected behaviors. So basically everyone has a completely unique gender and there's no meaningful categorization whatsoever, but also whoever claims to have the woman identity is definitely a woman. It does not make sense logically, but it makes sense from their standpoint.

[–] levitation 27 points (+27|-0)

"more aligned with the sapphic community than womanhood"

so there's this thing you might not know about the definition of sapphic

[–] banjo 20 points (+20|-0)

This is the flip side of the TIM who said "misogyny for us can be a form of validation"

[–] questioningtw [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

It is really crazy how everyone is afraid of calling them out on their nonsense.

[–] Ghostfem 20 points (+20|-0)

What do they think gender is, if not exactly female oppression?

[–] crispycherrypie 24 points (+24|-0)

A sparkling, magical essence. It's like how Marie Kondo describes the feeling of how something sparks joy, only if you don't feel that spark of joy over your current "gender", it means you must immediately change genders.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 12 points (+12|-0)

I would love to actually go in there and ask them why they think they aren't women, and why they think disliking misogyny means they aren't really a woman; but I am sure I would just be banned immediatly.

[–] Ghostfem 15 points (+15|-0)

I want to sincerely ask whether they think "cis" women don't hate misogyny or have an inner spark when they think about their sex that they don't have.

I genuinely think all this is a misunderstanding due to developmental trauma, such that today's young women do not have the basic theory of mind skills to realise that they are not different from other women.

Another possibility is that they have been caught in the cult through peer-pressure, have enough self-awareness to affirm that they do not have a gender identity, but are too afraid of saying that gender identity doesn't exist. So they must make an individual case for why they specifically lack this innate feeling.

[–] WitchPlease 7 points (+7|-0)

That's pretty much as theory of mind thing. The TRA narrative is that there is a thing called gender identity - an innate feeling of womanhood. And that everybody has a gender identity. A lot of young women think that their lack of a "gender identity", either matching their sex or not, means that they are agender/NB/whatever.

Every reply I read there makes me want to go "oh, honey..." Because I was one of them before this thing became popular. I thought that because I didn't feel like a woman (nor a man) it meant I must have some other "gender".

The thing is, I had never thought about "feeling like a woman" (except when Shania Twain was on the radio) until I read about these concepts. Basically this "spectrum" or "umbrella" was made up to support the "feel/identify as a woman" narrative. Otherwise all these girls would be saying "pfff tf you're going on about feelings"

[–] Luckystar 18 points (+18|-0) Edited

This is just super sad. They get SO CLOSE and then veer a sharp 90 degree turn into garden variety misogyny.
It's slightly infuriating, because all these women are basically implying those of us who don't explicitly identify as "agender" or "nonbinary" or whatever actually enjoy discrimination. How can they not see how offensive that is??

Tbh sometimes I think American culture is too individualistic for its own good. Some people seem to have zero empathy for others and feel that everything they experience is so speshul and different and younique. Everyone's a star in their own movie, ma'am. The feelings you have are the feelings most women have.

These women are suffering from severe sonder deficiency.

[–] Ozomene 10 points (+10|-0)

Could there be a link to how social media is full of very feminine women who appear to be living dream lives. The gap between Instagram perfection and real life makes them think they are the odd ones. These perfect, feminine women don’t seem real and complex unlike them. They aren’t so bothered by misogyny as the TIFs etc. An easier trap now kids often socialise more online than off.

[–] lesbifriends 6 points (+6|-0)

Tbh sometimes I think American culture is too individualistic for its own good.

I read an article recently on how the CIA pushed post-modernism to prevent people from developing class consciousness, and I think we’re seeing the effects of that here.

[–] WitchPlease 4 points (+4|-0)

Oh yeah. Even a video about architecture and urban planning lightly touched the subject that American suburban areas are designed to keep families isolated while surrounded by other families. This goes way back to the industrial revolution, at least.

(At least I think it was about architecture and urban planning, I may be mixing up videos in my head)

[–] Constantine 11 points (+11|-0)

I’m worried we’re losing an entire generation of young women to this. They live in an ideological vacuum where there’s no questioning gender, but they still experience misogyny, so this kind of identity is the only way to talk about it. They’re so close yet so far from getting it, and with GC and radical feminist speech getting suppressed, I worry there’s no reaching them. It’s sickening to watch unfold.

[–] lesbifriends 1 points (+1|-0)

I don’t know about that. I feel like there’s been an explosion in the sheer volume of GC comments on Instagram, Tumblr, Twitter and YouTube.

[–] Constantine 1 points (+1|-0)

I hope you’re right. I’m mostly thinking of Reddit as that’s where these kids seem to be groomed most.

[–] Captain_AFAB 8 points (+8|-0)

Non-binary is basically the claim that misogyny is appropriate for other women, but not for oneself.

[–] sonic_fiXXation 7 points (+7|-0) Edited

That's because there's no such thing as gender. And what she's experiencing is the reason we need the word 'woman' (Adult human female) to describe our experience. If she goes NB and rejects that she is a woman, she can't talk about what she's experiencing in any meaningful way.

[–] ArmyofMe 1 points (+1|-0)

This is what happens to young people when you tell them that gender is an innate identity that you feel. Most people don’t feel gender identity so they think they must be special or different and therefore some sort of genderspecial

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