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[–] Ishahchai 106 points (+106|-0)

Her transphobia is clear and has hurt those in the trans community who looked to the Harry Potter series for guidance.

I love Harry Potter as much as the next terf, but this is such a weird sentence. Who is looking to a YA series for guidance? Guidance on what? How to ride a broom and tame a hippogriff? If you are going to look to the books for guidance, they make it very clear that sending people death threats is wrong. The people who did that in the books were on the wrong side of history.

[–] chrysthefeminist 64 points (+64|-0)

Her transphobia is clear

What transphobia? The part where she says women also have rights?

[–] Ishahchai 48 points (+48|-0)

The transphobia that is claimed by the “block and stay safe” crowd who have refused to read her essay because she’s such a mean terf. I know there’s no transphobia, you know there’s no transphobia, Jo knows there’s no transphobia, but we’re talking about people that get their news from memes.

[–] pennygadget 15 points (+15|-0)

What transphobia? The part where she says women also have rights?

The people who say that shit obviously never read one word of Rowling's essays. She NEVER says trans-women aren't women. She never says they don't deserve protections nor does she wish for them to die. She just asserts that sex matters and, as a DV & rape survivor, she believes female-only spaces are necessary.

Its disgraceful that a self-described "feminist outlet" is so eager to throw an influential female creator to the wolves without even reading what she actually said! And its disgraceful that they've now taken the position that some women bring rape/death threats upon themselves!

[–] notyourfetish 7 points (+7|-0)

that some women bring rape/death threats upon themselves!

Never ceases to amaze me how quick people are to blame women for everything, even other women. No woman is responsible for rape, rape threats, or male behavior. Period. But blaming women is so easy, I guess.

[–] sconsolato 1 points (+1|-0)

Exactly this. What she said is far more tame than anything I've ever said on the subject.

[–] remove_the_veil 62 points (+62|-0) Edited

This is the problem with the entire Woke/SJW cohort -- they view fictional media as 'instructional moral guides'. It's a very Victorian mindset. They can't just enjoy something, they have to make sure every single thing about it fits into or supports/promotes their worldview.

What they are saying is that HP was a favourite amongst the trans crowd -- and it was, from what I can tell, likely due to the prevalence of transfiguration and other transformative spells. They liked the idea of just being able to go 'poof, I'm the opposite sex now!' using HP-style magic. It was a fantasy playground for them in that regard, via headcanons, fanfic, fan art, cosplay, etc. And so, the reason they are so angry with JKR is that, now that they know she's a 'terf', it's spoiled their illusion that HP is a 'trans-friendly' story. And in knowing this, it's made it it harder or impossible in their minds for them to turn to HP for 'comfort', so they hate JKR with a fiery passion and want to make her pay.

[–] littleowl12 35 points (+35|-0)
  • they view fictional media as 'instructional moral guides'. It's a very Victorian mindset.

Omg YES! They are ridiculously controlling and fearful of viewing the wrong thing. It's as silly as Christian fundamentalists that are scared of Disney movies and Harry Potter.

Although I think if they're going to take this shit so seriously, maybe they shouldn't be allowed to read/view this kind of thing. They can't cope.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 20 points (+20|-0)

Have you ever heard of Ana Mardoll? She is a feminist writer, who was inspired by Shakesville. She has this whole series on her blog about why the Chronicles of Narnia are just the wooooorrrrrrrrrsssssttttttt, and have horrible messages for kids. She literally comes across as more preachy then CS Lewis, who actually really kind of chill compared to some of these people.

[–] Stealthygal 4 points (+4|-0)

Yes - they get upset about characters not being perfect. And they're oddly literal. I read something about John Waters' movies the other day and apparently a bunch of young people in a film class disagreed that they were in any way "queer" because the none of the characters are presented as same sex attracted and Divine isn't presented as trans.

I read a bit of queer theory at university and enjoyed the ways it was applied to TV and movies and things... back then queerness was coded, not literal. For people to watch a film made by a gay man, with numerous gay performers including a gay man playing both a man and a woman, in which social norms are turned upside down, and for them to say "nope nothing queer to see here" is just astonishing to me.

[–] hedy 20 points (+20|-0)

Honestly, sometimes I think it's a pity more of them weren't raised in a religion that they could subsequently soundly reject, and now are grasping at whatever they can grasp at that helps them obviate the need to think for themselves about what's right and wrong. At least they'd know dogma when it hit them in the face over and over again.

[–] bumpyjerboa 19 points (+19|-0)

I think, on the other hand, some of them were raised religious, and can't conceive of discerning their own ideas about ethics and morality without following a group.

[–] remove_the_veil 7 points (+7|-0)

Right?? It astounds me how they seem to need to rely on these kinds of 'crutches', and have almost no ability to think critically about.... well, anything.

[–] BogHag 20 points (+20|-0)

I mean, they take fiction as 'instructional moral guides' when it comes to gender and woke-ness. But when it comes to sexual content involving underage child characters, there's a massive overlap between trans/nb/genderqueer and fans of erotic fictional content including minors.

I'm pretty free-speech extremist. I say, if it's fiction, it's fiction. There are no boundaries on what you can imagine and write. Maybe it's gross. Maybe I'll judge you for it, but there are no boundaries. But if you're going to complain about crazy shit like "Attack on Titan is nazi propaganda and you need to stop supporting it or you're a fascist" or "the Harry Potter franchise is anti-semetic (goblins) and anti-trans (Snape) so purge it from your mind or face the consequences" and other hot Tumblr takes, while also thirsting over characters who are 15 in universe... like. Get your ducks in a row.

But there is no logic in the woke community. Ever. Fiction is just fiction until they take personal exception to it, then it's violent and hateful and needs to be stopped.

[–] remove_the_veil 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

Yes, they are completely hypocritical about this. They expect perfect 'pure' morals from popular works of published fiction, but then feel they can explore the depths of depravity via their own fanfiction without any criticism whatsoever.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 17 points (+17|-0)

You know you have issues when you actually sound MORE preachy then some Christian theologians. I can see why a lot of social justice people enjoy Harry Potter---she absolutely does weave those into her books, and that is fine. Shit, JRR Tolkien was an enviromentalist and has enviromentalistic themes in his Middle Earth books, and Charles Dickens was pretty famous for writing about how poverty can affect people. Should people read these books only for those reasons? No, that would be silly, books are meant to be enjoyed, not to be dogma.

[–] [Deleted] 11 points (+11|-0)

You just describe so much mental illness tbh. So many people need therapy, and the system needs to get it rolling. Mental illness is increasing very rapidly in the age of technological advancement, like our brains aren't catching up as fast developmentally wise to how the world has changed. There needs to be more work done to counterbalance the societal shift and burden.

[–] remove_the_veil 7 points (+7|-0)

Yeah, people are developing all of these maladaptive coping mechanisms online, and then getting angry when they perceive these as being 'taken away' from them.

[–] Researcher1536 9 points (+9|-0)

They need someone to tell them how to develop a moral compass, because they can't do jack shit in their own. The same people who bleat on about boomers being zombies who consume every form.of misinformation they see, well a lot of younger people are wholly incapable of thinking critically and coming up with their own original thoughts. I see it all the time on my university campus. It's the "just tell me how to think because it's easier" way of living life, but woke edition.

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[–] yikesforever 23 points (+25|-2)

They must be using it for guidance by looking at the people like death eaters and umbrage, cause they sure didn't learn anything from people like Harry or Hermione.

[–] norravarg 15 points (+15|-0)

And it's interesting they see Jo as the second coming of Hitler, because the books literally say "The world is not divided into good people and Death Eaters."

[–] NotCis 15 points (+15|-0)

They can never just enjoy something like a wonderful series for children. They always have to analyze the shit out of it and find the hidden oppression and obsess about it.

[–] [Deleted] 12 points (+12|-0)

also her essay has nothing to do with Harry Potter and there is no mention of trans issues at all in the books. but I guess not being the center of attention all the time is violence now.

[–] kalina 10 points (+10|-0)

right? I mean I understand being inspired by fiction or considering books a large part of your childhood or whatever. But to look for guidance? It's not the bible nor a self help guide, it's a series about a wizard in magic school...

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[–] BristlingBo2 59 points (+59|-0)

I love how even in this faux outraged, vague enough to be meaningless article they have proof of actual material threats made against JKR but nary a sign of this massive amount of transphobic hate directed by JKR's fans at these poor, long-suffering sweet and innocent transpeople.

Also really enjoyed how the author has to state twice that they don't condone death threats - they really don't, they really really really don't - but then spend the rest of the article talking about how it's only to be expected and positioning themselves in the crowd "adjacent" to those making excuses for death threats.

[–] NewMa 20 points (+20|-0)

nary a sign of this massive amount of transphobic hate directed by JKR's fans at these poor, long-suffering sweet and innocent transpeople.

Damn good point. WHERE'S THE RECEIPTS, TRAs?

Oh wait, you've got none from actual terfs and like four from incels. It's okay, those four incels will transition in the next couple of years so their violence will be redirected at women soon enough, don't worry!

[–] questioningtw [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

Considering the fact that they think being misgendered is literal violence, it doesn;t suprise me that they have no real reciepts.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 13 points (+13|-0)

If the writer didn't condone death threats, this article would have been completely different. Someone that thinks JK Rowling is a jerk, but also doesn't condone death threats would have been angry that someone would do that and think it was remotely acceptable. These people love acting like they are just so morally right; even though they defend the indefensible.

[–] Hollyhock 51 points (+51|-0) Edited

This is vile, utterly vile. "If you don't get in line, you deserve death threats. "

[–] BogHag 18 points (+18|-0)

This is exactly how marginalized communities totally act.

Gay rights? Send rich famous homophobes death threats. Women's rights? Send famous sexists death threats. The struggle for equality for African Americans? Death threats. ...Or wait. That's not how it went. Maybe it was the other way around?

Don't you remember reading about how Susan B Anthony sent Sir Arthur Conan Doyle threats for being a popular writer who spoke against women's sufferage?

I just realized who these people remind me of: extremist animal rights or enviromentalist groups. They do things like destroy property and one person has murdered people, and supports these groups. They don't want to improve society, because they actually hate society and think we need to "reset" Now, most TRAs are not like this at all....but when I see things like threating someone with a pipebomb? Yeah, you sound like you should be in ELF

[–] el-sol-duerme 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

I wonder if it'll take until one of them actually sends a pipe bomb (god forbid) and society wondering if things have gone too far. Or, they may make excuses like the person who sent it wasn't actually trans.

[–] notyourfetish 3 points (+3|-0)

Or, they may make excuses like the person who sent it wasn't actually trans.

This. Sadly, it's already happening. They're already raping and hurting women. No one cares because those men "weren't really trans."

[–] Cye 1 points (+1|-0)

You don't remember that TIF who shot up a school? She was bullied for being trans so that makes it okay to a lot of these people, and they feel comfortable enough to say so publically.

[–] questioningtw [OP] 12 points (+12|-0)

We all know people like Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, Susan B Anthony, Leslie Fienberg, Fredrick Douglass, Helen Keller and Ida B Wells sent bomb and death threats to people so they could gain civil rights! Wait, no...the complete opposite of that is true.

These people are just going to set all kinds of civil rights backwards....being violent and defending violence does nothing but make people think leftests are violent.

[–] notyourfetish 0 points (+0|-0)

Lol this made me imagine Fredrick Douglas with an ink and quill writing out some horrible stuff you'd see on Youtube.

[–] Midnight 5 points (+5|-0)

See also: "she made us do it"

And: "now look what you made us do"

It's an article comprised of victim blaming & the greatest hits of domestic abusers excuses.

[–] TheCakeIsALie 45 points (+45|-0) Edited

"There are plenty online who will take it upon themselves to defend Rowling, including making threats just like this, to anyone who challenges the Harry Potter author."

Receipts, please.

Edit to add: Never have I seen the language used by TRAs come from radfems. It is 100% the thing that peaked me instantly. I will never side with people who talk like this. Rape and death threats? Fuck off forever.

[–] BJ581 24 points (+26|-2)

I saw someone on twitter who claimed to be a Radfem who said something nasty once. It was pretty rude but not a threat. She said something about their looks that was really uncalled for. A few hours after a mountain of radfems had already called this out and told her how inappropriate it was, a bunch of trans extremists started replying about “see!! TERFs hate trans people! Omg.” Despite like 50+ radfems having already called out the behavior before the activists even got there.

That’s really the issue for me. Even if they do have a receipt here and there of a “TERF” behaving badly, the community as a whole does not condone or support that behavior or display it in notable numbers. Whereas, here’s an article defending sending a woman death and rape threats because they refuse to admit this is not okay.

[–] ComplicatedSpirit 17 points (+17|-0)

I swear TRAs take their tactics from the people who protest outside abortion clinics.

I’ve seen videos of them. If they are blocking someone’s path and they get gently brushed aside, even accidentally . They start screeching “I AM BEING ASSAULTED! You all saw it! It’s on video! She shoved me! You saw her shove me! Call the police!” and people are just standing around like “wtf is happening?” but the anti-abortion protestors, they could literally be looking in the other direction and then suddenly they’re all “yes I saw it she shoved you! She hit you! She tried to hurt you! Where did you hurt you!”

And it’s hard to tell whether or not they know they’re bullshitting, or they know they are but think it’s “for a good cause,” so it’s ok, or maybe they actually think, you know, this person is so evil and I am so good, any contact they have with me, HAS to be assault.

[–] notyourfetish 4 points (+4|-0)

or maybe they actually think, you know, this person is so evil and I am so good, any contact they have with me, HAS to be assault.

I'm kinda convinced this is part of it. Some of them actually think they are good/right and view everything as an attack. It's . . . horrifying.

I've been in situations before where people thought I was doing something threatening but I wasn't doing anything at all, really (these were racists). Delusional people can't be convinced or helped or talked down from their tree. They see the world the way they see the world. If they've decided that someone is evil because of X, then that person is evil and so is everything they do. (This is why black people get gunned down for jogging, taking out the trash, going to the bank, etc . . .)

Needless to say, it sucks to have people insist, based on their delusions, that you are doing something wrong. It's like you get punished just for existing. We as women are sharing the world with an overwhelming number of people out of touch with reality and ready to punish us brutally for imagined slights. That has always been the story. And again, it's horrifying.

[–] Switched 8 points (+8|-0)

I've seen GC and radfem accounts say some gross, for-real-transphobic stuff, although I don't think they'd be considered major accounts. And as with all groups, I've seen GCers minimise/brush off things that don't make "their side" look good. It's still a billion miles away from the violent sexual threats.

[–] Fpccgc 5 points (+5|-0)

can you give examples of the “gross, for -real-transphobic “ stuff?

[–] BJ581 3 points (+3|-0)

Absolutely, every group has a least a few “members” or followers if you like, who are awful. I think that would be true of any random group of people as well. I agree with your conclusion though, it’s a far cry from an entire movement promoting the abuse of another group of people (women in this case).

Gallas Mag is pretty shitty and has said some really, really gross stuff about transpeople(that they are ALL predators, that they are all ugly, that they are all disgusting) but I am pretty sure that no one really liked her and she isn't even around anymore as far as I know. Most radfems may not be very nice to trans people; but they don't send rape and death threats. In fact if someone does that, they have no business saying they are a feminist at all.

[–] NotCis 3 points (+3|-0)

Hard disagree. She exposed countless male predators and murderers masquerading as women and never used dehumanizing language to do it. Receipts if you remember otherwise.

[–] notyourfetish 2 points (+3|-1) Edited

that they are ALL predators

The trans "belief system" or whatever is inherently based in sexism and rapist rhetoric. So yeah. It's all of them. Thinking that dress = woman and that they have a right to women's bodies (Cotton Ceiling) is predatory. Being trans means believing in this crap, thus it's all of them.

that they are all ugly

They are. The only male cross dresser who pulled it off was Patrick Swayze, and he had an entire makeup team on a movie set, plus nice bone structure. The common TIM is unshaven, has sloppy makeup, and the typical bone structure and mass of a male, crammed into a tiny dress that was designed for a woman's body . . . It's not appealing.

that they are all disgusting

They frequently talk about mouth feel (aka raping lesbians' mouth) and advocate porn, kink, pedophilia, prostitution and the degradation of women because it gets them off. (So many TIMs are also pedos it's disturbing.) This is all pretty disgusting to me. You could argue that these are AGPs specifically, but all "trans" are AGPs. Males who legitimately have body dysphoria still show these traits of pornsickness and depravity.

[–] Fpccgc 2 points (+6|-4)

All TIMs are predators. Men are predators. Men are disgusting, too. And ugly when they wear dresses. Don’t see how saying this can be transphobic, unless someone is sending death threats?

[–] yikesforever 38 points (+39|-1) Edited

I mean, I guess she was just asking for it.

Same old, same old.

[–] Rag3 34 points (+34|-0)

Wow. Seriously? Don’t they hear themselves? They sound like abusers.

[–] SylviaWrath 6 points (+6|-0)

"Trans rights activists are SO CLOSE to Getting the Harm They've Caused If They'd Only Connect the Dots"

[–] womeninlove 31 points (+31|-0)

What harm? Who is being harmed by anything she has said!??

[–] yikesforever 17 points (+19|-2) Edited

They live in a fantasy world they create in their heads. It's just crazy as fuck society has to play along with their delusions.

[–] BogHag 11 points (+11|-0)

Every time you even think about misgendering, a beautiful and valid transwoman takes her life. So think twice, you murderer.

[–] [Deleted] 7 points (+7|-0)

truly. if a person is so hurt by what she said, just block her! it’s twitter! just turn the computer off and you’re good! this is what they say knowing that nothing she said was wrong or even hurtful.

Exactly! i remember in the 90s, if you don't like it, don't read it or watch it was the motto of people promoting free speech.

A girl thinking she wants to transition might change her mind, or feel bad about thinking she should transition! God fucking forbid someone read other view points or have someone disagree with them!

[–] wildwitch 27 points (+27|-0)

They speak like abusers. "Don't make me hurt you." "It was your fault, you made me do it. I didn't want to."

[–] shveya 22 points (+22|-0)

Imagine thinking that not wanting to be called a menstruator is as bad as threatening to send a pipe bomb.

But the article in question said women and people that menstruate! She was invalidating all the non women that have periods!!! That is just sooooooooo mean and hateful!!!!!

[–] starsstorm 17 points (+17|-0)

Do they even hear themselves? Terroristic threats, regardless of opinions on whatever, aren’t ok.

[–] Mikkal 15 points (+15|-0)

Thank you for the archive link!!

... I couldn't do more than skim it honestly. The whole premise that JK Rolwing is a problem, or a threat, or dangerous, is just "crying wolf" - how can people not get tired of it quickly.

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