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I am an older woman. I am so old that many younger people don't engage in topical conversations about current events with me for fear that I won't know what they are talking about. Apparently, once you hit a certain age you can barely keep up with the latest knitting patterns let alone follow twitterstorms around JK Rowling's transphobia.

I have discovered that, being old and therefore out of the loop, I can coax people into gently teaching me all about how girls can become boys now and how men who say they are really women should be welcomed into women's intimate spaces. They don't suspect for a minute that I am playing with them. I tilt my head slightly to one side, open my eyes wide and say "Oh, that is so interesting! You must tell me more."

I ask them question after question until the absurdity of their argument becomes so obvious that they begin to fidget while looking for some way to escape from the conversation. Sometimes their sentences trail off into silence and I might say, "Oh dear. They didn't really think that one out properly, did they pet?"

Once, when asking about the difference between a female penis and a plain old male one, I was tempted to ask if maybe they had a different mouthfeel but I chickened out.

It is all quite delicious and amuses me a great deal. You might think that this is just something to look forward to in your dotage but why not enjoy it now while you are young? If you pretend to have been busy with other things in the last year or so (not unbelievable, after all) with no clue about trans ideology, radical feminism, or GC arguments, I'm sure you could get people to explain the whole concept to you in detail. You could even innocently ask killer questions and, as long as you blink your eyes in bewilderment a couple of times while waiting for the answer, you should elicit gently worded responses without vitriol and venom.

If any of you decide to try your luck and channel your inner old lady please let me know how you go. I would have loved to have discovered this power of being seen as innocently ignorant earlier in life because it really does give me great joy.

I am an older woman. I am so old that many younger people don't engage in topical conversations about current events with me for fear that I won't know what they are talking about. Apparently, once you hit a certain age you can barely keep up with the latest knitting patterns let alone follow twitterstorms around JK Rowling's transphobia. I have discovered that, being old and therefore out of the loop, I can coax people into gently teaching me all about how girls can become boys now and how men who say they are really women should be welcomed into women's intimate spaces. They don't suspect for a minute that I am playing with them. I tilt my head slightly to one side, open my eyes wide and say "Oh, that is so interesting! You must tell me more." I ask them question after question until the absurdity of their argument becomes so obvious that they begin to fidget while looking for some way to escape from the conversation. Sometimes their sentences trail off into silence and I might say, "Oh dear. They didn't really think that one out properly, did they pet?" Once, when asking about the difference between a female penis and a plain old male one, I was tempted to ask if maybe they had a different mouthfeel but I chickened out. It is all quite delicious and amuses me a great deal. You might think that this is just something to look forward to in your dotage but why not enjoy it now while you are young? If you pretend to have been busy with other things in the last year or so (not unbelievable, after all) with no clue about trans ideology, radical feminism, or GC arguments, I'm sure you could get people to explain the whole concept to you in detail. You could even innocently ask killer questions and, as long as you blink your eyes in bewilderment a couple of times while waiting for the answer, you should elicit gently worded responses without vitriol and venom. If any of you decide to try your luck and channel your inner old lady please let me know how you go. I would have loved to have discovered this power of being seen as innocently ignorant earlier in life because it really does give me great joy.

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[–] Capturedthecastle 84 points (+84|-0)

I have a horrible feeling this is what my mum did to me before I peaked 😭😭😭

Mum - “So are you saying that these children don’t ever go through puberty?”

Me: “No, it’s just blocked.”

Mum: “Indefinitely? So when does it happen?”

Me: “…”

[–] Fpccgc 18 points (+18|-0)

Though technically don’t they go through some sort of weird cross sex hormone fake puberty once they start injecting themselves with poison?

[–] NotASupportHuman 23 points (+23|-0)

Their bodies may convey it but reading has shown me (thus far) that their brains don't.

Certain hormones and chemicals are released during natural puberty that allows advancement of cognitive function. When these natural releases are stopped the brain can't complete pubertal development.

I wish I knew more but I don't. There is a post or two here on Ovarit that are good jump off points but I can't remember which. Wish I could be more helpful but I have to get back to work.

[–] WAHF 11 points (+11|-0)

That’s bloody terrifying! I hadn’t heard that. Condemning people to an undeveloped brain for life? That should be criminal. I’m feeling quite sick reading that.

[–] Luckystar 6 points (+6|-0)

It's not a true puberty in the sense of reaching the state of development where one is capable of reproduction(menses for girls, producing sperm for boys). They develop some secondary sex characteristics, such as breasts or facial hair. But a girl can't magically sprout balls and a boy can't magically grow ovaries either.

That's why kids like Jazz Jennings have never experienced an orgasm and have no interest in sex. He never reached sexual maturity. He didn't magically get a "female puberty", he just never fully developed a sexuality and will never have biological children as he never produced sperm.

It's literally sterilizing children that are disproportionately likely to be gay and/or autistic. And it's not just about fertility, they literally can't enjoy sex like a normal adult either, because they never truly go through puberty. I have no idea how the Jazz show was able to go on, where he discusses this stuff in great detail, and society didn't just stop right there. Honestly, that stuff is nightmare fuel.

[–] roundabout 0 points (+0|-0)

My understanding is that that's nothing like actual puberty, because their bodies aren't designed to respond to those particular hormones. Also, it's such a blunt instrument that it doesn't seem to implement much of what puberty does, beyond sex-specific things like breast or facial hair growth. From what I've read, the bone density increase just doesn't happen. That's my understanding, anyway. Am I wrong?

[–] yesisaiditxx 2 points (+2|-0)

Maybe. Maybe that day your mother thought to herself “My daughter really didn’t even think about what comes next? Does she think that you can grow into an adult without ever hitting puberty? Did I do something wrong?”

Just messing with you having some fun LOL

[–] no- 68 points (+68|-0)

The socratic method is a good deprogramming technique in general, but I love your boomer twist of it lmao. I think I could get away with it too, as an uncool millennial.

[–] BogHag 53 points (+54|-1)

Go full normie. Be like, oh I've never heard of that. I like going to the gym and touching grass. I don't use the internet. You'll have to explain again from the beginning.

[–] sconsolato 24 points (+24|-0)

I had to look up the Socratic method, but wow, I am so glad I did. It's like a cross-examination of logic. Thank you for teaching me a new term!

[–] Noonefromnowhere 11 points (+11|-0)

Yup. Then they accuse you of JAQing off. (Just Asking Questions, which is apparently a holocaust denialist tactic. Given how often the left resorts to smears when they have no response, I do wonder. And because Internet, for clarity, I absolutely do NOT deny the Holocaust in any form, but not everyone has the in-depth level of knowledge needed to refute certain arguments. But if you are a leftist, you don't admit you don't know, look into it, and return later with a response to resume the conversation. You simply smear your opponent and declare victory).

[–] DiabolicalPinkBunny 👽💕🐇 47 points (+48|-1)

Lol, excellent! Hubby and I are moving to a new country sometime soon (getting the bloody work permits approved is taking forever), and I fully intend to use my non-native status the first time someone starts with this nonsense. Just: "oh, poor me from this here 3rd world country, what do I know? Can you explain it to me?" So I'm definately taking notes here!

[–] calming-tea 30 points (+30|-0)

"oh, please tell me more about people outside of the western world did not have a concept of sex or gender"

[–] TiredDev 20 points (+20|-0)

I've actually heard of another lady doing this and apparently it was as funny as OP describes her experiences. Except with an added layer of white people not trying to be racist when discussing sex/gender. Not easy to do when the meme of "enlightened non-white countries actually have multiple genders" is propagated so much lol.

[–] sconsolato 10 points (+10|-0)

This is so perfect. Also, good luck to you and your husband, that must be so exciting!!

[–] saturnine 5 points (+5|-0)

Great idea! I should def try this, too. I was just imagining myself being all "is this gender stuff something I'm too middle-eastern to understand?" and watching them squirm trying to explain how us 3rd world noble savages used to have gazillions of genders before #colonization lol.

[–] EvaDemeter 36 points (+36|-0) Edited

I love this so much! But where do you find these youngsters? I've found them mostly online and rarely run into anyone for this sort of chat.

It's ok to chicken out about mouthfeel, it's a truly horrible word.

[–] sconsolato 8 points (+8|-0)

If I may ask, what are the origins of the mouthfeel meme?

[–] EvaDemeter 6 points (+6|-0)

I wish I knew, but when I tried to look into it, seems "mouthfeel" came out of the brewing world to describe texture and taste of certain alcoholic beverages? This appears to have been borrowed by TIMs to describe "girldique" (and presumably anything related......I"m going to puke now) and honestly, if anyone can fill the rest of this in I'd appreciate it.

[–] SamuraiGhostCat 4 points (+4|-0) Edited

It’s also used for food. Chefs and food critics use it most. But yes, the original meaning (food and drink) is innocent.

TRAs appropriated it and made it about their dicks.

[–] Shinyowl 29 points (+29|-0)

I'm busy peaking the people I can. Most regular folks in my neck of the woods, a fairly rural and remote area, have zero clue about TIMs infiltrating our personal spaces.

I guess to some, I would probably be considered an old lady. I am a 60 year old woman who looks nothing like her age and I'm pretty up-to-date when it comes to this sort of thing.

Kudos to you on educating younger people!

Sooner or later, this trend is going to fade.

[–] goneharolding 13 points (+13|-0)

Right there with you, sis! Where I am it’s permanently 1996 in many ways. I had a good talk with a gay work friend about 4 years ago and never looked back. There are finally a few trans students in the school system, and people have started listening more closely to what I’m saying.

Not sure how I would deal with a bunch of people who think they already know everything but are completely misinformed. That’s a true test of patience and OP is destined for Radfem sainthood lol

I do this all the time, is the only way to talk to such people. I use the "living in a rural area excuse" that works well with city hipsters.

[–] Shinyowl 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

It does indeed!

Where I live is considered southern canada, lol!

Ayup.

There's a long and honorable line of jokes about the country bumpkin playing the city slicker!

[–] Zaftig 20 points (+20|-0)

I adore this approach. How I wish I could be a fly on your wall.

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