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Kat Blaque is sharing his opinions on Wi Spa. He claims he was invited once but declined, since he'd rather be in mixed spaces when he's nude. (He's also a nudist. Fun times). He admits to surrounding himself with women when in the nude, because he's aware that men can get really creepy very fast.

He tells this whopper that most spas in LA do not allow transgender people in. This is quite a lie. LA in general is just as progressive as Portland, Oregon. Furthermore, no spa in LA has the legal right to disallow transgender people from entering. That's why Wi Spa could do nothing about the predator who shows up all the time.

He waxes on poetical about how nudity isn't inherently sexual, art classes and stuff, and implies that there probably was no TIM there anyway. And it's really unfair that Cubana Angel doesn't view a TIM as a real woman, and super mean to poor Wokebro Willy.

He tries to work out a middle ground by saying that the spa should communicate that they are "trans inclusive" and concedes that people react strongly when they see something they didn't expect to see.

But "trans inclusive" is vague gibberish. What would be crystal clear is to admit that men, with dicks, are allowed to enter this women's space upon self-declaration. THAT would be communicating.

Kat then hammers it home that nearly all spas exclude TIMs, and if people don't want to see naked TIMs, they can just go there. By people, he means women. WOMEN should be the ones to move over.

He put in an editor's note that "police were not able to locate any witnesses that saw a trans woman." This is crap because there were other women in the very video confirming he was there. These were all women who didn't know each other. They all colluded to lie about a TIM that very day?

I will agree with Kat that it was unfair of media outlets to use Wokebro Willy's picture to imply he was the one in the hot tub. But after seeing him defend a guy hanging his dick out in front of little girls, I would not leave him alone with my kids.

Moving on. Kat goes on to claim he doesn't see transphobia because he passes amazeballz. But he adds that he himself is uncomfortable in women's only spaces where they are naked, so he can't picture another trans woman being comfortable. He allows us women to be upset with a predatory TIM, but it's just sooooooo unlikely.

Kat thinks that the TIM, should the whole thing be true (it is, Kat, it is) is being unfairly portrayed as a predator not for behavior, but anatomy.

His ACTION, Kat, was letting his junk hang out in front of little girls. "Why is a cis woman's body not traumatic but my body would be?"

BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAN, KAT. Going to a space that I know will have naked women, and I'm fine with that, is not traumatic.

Being told I will not see naked men/they will not see me, and then encountering just that, IS traumatic. I can't read minds so I have no idea how he identifies, and I don't really care. I was told I would be in a female only space, that's what I paid for, and I have very good reason to not be that vulnerable near males.

You yourself said in the beginning of the video that in nudist spaces, you surround yourself with women to prevent men from getting creepy in the first place. So you know for a fact this is how they are. But we women just have to be preyed upon first? We're not allowed to prevent the situation in the first place? Or we have to radically alter everything, limiting our own freedoms, to welcome men who already have their own spaces?

A spa with co-ed nudity will not survive as a business, because women won't want to go. I don't see why they should shut up shop, either. Gay men handled this situation by building their own bath houses, where they could cruise and not interfere with straight men who just wanted to swim and sit in a sauna. They set up their own spas to avoid hitting on straight men who were not interested.

Lesbians set up their own spaces for the same reason.

There are plenty of nudist outlets that YOU can go to, or trans people can set up their own spaces. Despite all the poverty crying, many of you have plenty of capital to make one. Brick and mortar spaces are a buyer's market right now.

It is not okay to claim that you are a female to gain entry to a female only space, whatever your motives are.

Kat Blaque is sharing his opinions on Wi Spa. He claims he was invited once but declined, since he'd rather be in mixed spaces when he's nude. (He's also a nudist. Fun times). He admits to surrounding himself with women when in the nude, because **he's aware that men can get really creepy very fast.** He tells this whopper that most spas in LA do not allow transgender people in. This is quite a lie. LA in general is just as progressive as Portland, Oregon. Furthermore, no spa in LA has the legal right to disallow transgender people from entering. That's why Wi Spa could do nothing about the predator who shows up all the time. He waxes on poetical about how nudity isn't inherently sexual, art classes and stuff, and implies that there probably was no TIM there anyway. And it's really unfair that Cubana Angel doesn't view a TIM as a real woman, and super mean to poor Wokebro Willy. He tries to work out a middle ground by saying that the spa should communicate that they are "trans inclusive" and concedes that people react strongly when they see something they didn't expect to see. But "trans inclusive" is vague gibberish. What would be crystal clear is to admit that men, with dicks, are allowed to enter this women's space upon self-declaration. THAT would be communicating. Kat then hammers it home that nearly all spas exclude TIMs, and if people don't want to see naked TIMs, they can just go there. By people, he means women. WOMEN should be the ones to move over. He put in an editor's note that "police were not able to locate any witnesses that saw a trans woman." This is crap because there were other women in the very video confirming he was there. These were all women who didn't know each other. They all colluded to lie about a TIM that very day? I will agree with Kat that it was unfair of media outlets to use Wokebro Willy's picture to imply he was the one in the hot tub. But after seeing him defend a guy hanging his dick out in front of little girls, I would not leave him alone with my kids. Moving on. Kat goes on to claim he doesn't see transphobia because he passes amazeballz. But he adds that he himself is uncomfortable in women's only spaces where they are naked, so he can't picture another trans woman being comfortable. He allows us women to be upset with a predatory TIM, but it's just sooooooo unlikely. Kat thinks that the TIM, should the whole thing be true (it is, Kat, it is) is being unfairly portrayed as a predator not for behavior, but anatomy. His ACTION, Kat, was letting his junk hang out in front of little girls. "Why is a cis woman's body not traumatic but my body would be?" BECAUSE YOU ARE A MAN, KAT. Going to a space that I know will have naked women, and I'm fine with that, is not traumatic. Being told I will not see naked men/they will not see me, and then encountering just that, IS traumatic. I can't read minds so I have no idea how he identifies, and I don't really care. I was told I would be in a female only space, that's what I paid for, and I have very good reason to not be that vulnerable near males. You yourself said in the beginning of the video that in nudist spaces, you surround yourself with women to prevent men from getting creepy in the first place. So you know for a fact this is how they are. But we women just have to be preyed upon first? We're not allowed to prevent the situation in the first place? Or we have to radically alter everything, limiting our own freedoms, to welcome men who already have their own spaces? A spa with co-ed nudity will not survive as a business, because women won't want to go. I don't see why they should shut up shop, either. Gay men handled this situation by building their own bath houses, where they could cruise and not interfere with straight men who just wanted to swim and sit in a sauna. They set up their own spas to avoid hitting on straight men who were not interested. Lesbians set up their own spaces for the same reason. There are plenty of nudist outlets that YOU can go to, or trans people can set up their own spaces. Despite all the poverty crying, many of you have plenty of capital to make one. Brick and mortar spaces are a buyer's market right now. It is not okay to claim that you are a female to gain entry to a female only space, whatever your motives are.

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[–] Red_Ajah_Aes_Sedai 27 points (+27|-0)

It's so frustrating seeing the "just go somewhere else," argument. Actually, single-sex spaces are illegal now in a lot of places! We don't have somewhere else to go! That's the whole point.

And Kat can't imagine being comfortable as a TW naked in a women's only space, so it's unlikely another TW would. I mean, that's the problem! There's no way to know the difference between a "real" TW and a man who wants to perv.

[–] yarnfiend13 2 points (+2|-0)

seriously! can I get this mythical list of places where TIMs are banned from going?

[–] crispycherrypie 26 points (+26|-0)

I hate the art class argument.

You have to be 18+ to sign up for life drawings community ed classes in most places as far as I know, and in cases like that you're explicitly giving your consent to be around a naked person of the opposite sex.

In a single-sex nude-only spa, people are explicitly NOT giving their consent to be around a naked person of the opposite sex.

This isn't hard.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 17 points (+17|-0)

Plus, YOU aren’t also naked in the art class. Only the model.

[–] ProxyMusic 14 points (+15|-1) Edited

I was both a student in life drawing classes, & later on I was the model. Only when I modeled, it was for adult professional artists. Not for college/uni students.

And just because I consented to be seen naked by artists of both sexes in a specific set of circumstances at one point in my life doesn't mean I gave consent to be seen naked by whomever in all other contexts at all other times in my life, LOL. And it certainly doesn't mean I consented to see any of the artists I posed for naked. Ever.

[–] SylviaWrath 16 points (+16|-0)

Seriously. Context is everything. If I’m in a nude art class, I expect to see nude men and women because obviously. If I’m in a women’s space, I don’t expect an invasive flopping cock. It’s such a poor argument to make.

[–] no- 12 points (+12|-0) Edited

If I’m in a women’s space, I don’t expect an invasive flopping cock.

Or an erect one. Cubana Angel, the woman who filmed the viral Wi spa video, said the TIM was semi hard.

[–] Mikkal 10 points (+10|-0)

No spa in LA has the legal right to disallow transgender people from entering. That's why Wi Spa could do nothing about the predator who shows up all the time.

They could refuse someone, it would generate a lawsuit, and the courts would have to interpret the law at that point. The law says "you can't discriminate..." but just like with Jessica Yaniv - they decided the women in that case were not being discriminatory. That could happen here. As far as I know, this hasn't gone to court yet.

Kat thinks that the TIM, should the whole thing be true (it is, Kat, it is) is being unfairly portrayed as a predator not for behavior, but anatomy.

Flashers think they are doing women a favor - that women aren't actually scared, instead, they are sexually aroused by seeing in a flasher. Flashers frequently target young women and teenager girls. In addition, flashers escalate - they need more and more and more to get the same thrill, and that's why we penalize flashers: To stop them from becoming something much worse.

Let's be real: Any man who wants to have women look at his penis is doing so because it's a sexual thrill. So yes, any man who goes to the Wi Spa is a sexual predator, because they are exposing themselves to women. Indecent Exposure is not "funny" it's criminal.

They could refuse someone, it would generate a lawsuit, and the courts would have to interpret the law at that point. The law says "you can't discriminate..." but just like with Jessica Yaniv - they decided the women in that case were not being discriminatory. That could happen here. As far as I know, this hasn't gone to court yet.

A big difference is that the Yaniv case was about entering women's homes where they ran their businesses, and touching his genitalia. They were also untrained in ball waxing. If he wanted his arms waxed, they probably would have lost the lawsuit.

Since Wi Spa is a venue open to the public, the law is on the TRA side. A man has the right to go where he wants in LA now.

[–] WitchPlease 10 points (+11|-1)

it was unfair of media outlets to use Wokebro Willy's picture to imply he was the one in the hot tub

Wokebro Willy brought it upon himself when he decided to defend a flasher in front of a camera.

[–] fababs26 6 points (+7|-1)

Before I peaked I used to like Kat but to be honest, I wasn't really listening to what they were saying. Now, that I've woken up from being WOKE, I realize how sexist and anti-women they are!!