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So the game studio Blizzard, and most specifically the branch responsible for World of Warcraft is under a huge lawsuit, two years of investigation, about sexual harassment, the suicide of a female employee in a business trip where the coworker who was traveling with her bought a butt plug and lube, inequal pay and inequal opportunities. Pretty grim stuff. You can read about the lawsuit here : https://aboutblaw.com/YJw Page 11 and so on.

Responding to this post on reddit is someone saying "As a woman wanting to make videogames stuff like this is terrifying. I didn't go through University for computer science to get sexually harassed non-stop."

I had a hunch so I looked up the profile and sure enough that's a dude. Been on hormones 6 months. Want advice about how to be safe at night when taking walks, worded in a way you know he just wants to experience some of that sweet sweet validating womanly oppression.

I'm so fucking tired of this. You are not going to be sexually harassed. Nobody is going to do anything like you read in the lawsuit. The most that might happen is that you get called homophobic slurs because you're a dude in a dress. You are not going to lose opportunities, because companies are way more scared of being painted as transphobes than as mysogynists. You are entirely safe and pretending otherwise is such fucking fetishism it's not even funny. I see this so much, everything bad happening to a woman seems to have a TIM somewhere being like "tee hee I sure hope it doesn't happen to me hihi"

I'm so done

So the game studio Blizzard, and most specifically the branch responsible for World of Warcraft is under a huge lawsuit, two years of investigation, about sexual harassment, the suicide of a female employee in a business trip where the coworker who was traveling with her bought a butt plug and lube, inequal pay and inequal opportunities. Pretty grim stuff. You can read about the lawsuit here : https://aboutblaw.com/YJw Page 11 and so on. Responding to this post on reddit is someone saying "As a woman wanting to make videogames stuff like this is terrifying. I didn't go through University for computer science to get sexually harassed non-stop." I had a hunch so I looked up the profile and sure enough that's a dude. Been on hormones 6 months. Want advice about how to be safe at night when taking walks, worded in a way you know he just wants to experience some of that sweet sweet validating womanly oppression. I'm so fucking tired of this. You are not going to be sexually harassed. Nobody is going to do anything like you read in the lawsuit. The most that might happen is that you get called homophobic slurs because you're a dude in a dress. You are not going to lose opportunities, because companies are way more scared of being painted as transphobes than as mysogynists. You are entirely safe and pretending otherwise is such fucking fetishism it's not even funny. I see this so much, everything bad happening to a woman seems to have a TIM somewhere being like "tee hee I sure hope it doesn't happen to me hihi" I'm so done

45 comments

[–] Aeschleah 78 points (+78|-0)

"As a woman wanting to make videogames stuff like this is terrifying. I didn't go through University for computer science to get sexually harassed non-stop."

The first glaringly obvious ‘not written by a woman’ flag, is that any woman by post university stage would’ve either been harassed non stop at some point, know someone who has, know that it happens and has to police behaviours to stay safe.

[–] DBrooke 57 points (+57|-0)

Exactly. He's being melodramatic about something that is perfectly normal for us. Something we're pressured to downplay and ignore, and most women in tech do downplay and ignore, because it's the only way you get to have a career.

[–] proudcatlady 17 points (+17|-0)

Yeah, you don’t want to be the “difficult” woman who’s “going to accuse everyone of sexual harassment.” After all, we like to “have fun” at work, and we don’t need some bitch “raining on our parade.”

[–] Dravidian [OP] 34 points (+34|-0)

Oh THAT might be what I picked up on unconciously.

[–] kalina 29 points (+29|-0)

I got far more harassment in university while studying computer science than I have in my whole career life so far.

[–] blinchiki 4 points (+4|-0)

These nerds were thirsty. Honestly I only made one girl friend during my CS days. All the others were nauseating.

[–] Vulvamort 21 points (+21|-0)

As a woman with a comp sci degree you are 100% correct. This just sounds really weird and forced.

[–] SueGen 20 points (+20|-0)

It sounds like he's somehow shocked that such a thing could occur, when girls deal with harassment (and nothing worse if they're lucky) from a pretty early age.

[–] Vulvamort 12 points (+12|-0)

It does. He also clearly doesn't understand that it's a lot more than overt harassment. It's things that are subtle and insidious that build up over time. It's being othered by your male peers, being talked over, having your skills and accomplishments dismissed on a regular basis. Y'know, the things men tell us aren't a huge deal so they can wear us down and break our resolve.

[–] shveya 7 points (+7|-0)

It sounds like he's somehow shocked that such a thing could occur

This is often the case in my experience, even with well-meaning guys.

[–] proudcatlady 16 points (+16|-0)

Yep. I was an anti-SJW NLOG up until I got to university for CS. I quickly realized there was something to all this feminism stuff when the harassment started. And I had it EASY compared to my female colleagues and classmates. VERY easy.

[–] hufflepuff-poet 5 points (+5|-0)

Right? Women rarely survive a university degree, especially one as male heavy as Computer Science, without experiencing sexual harrassment.

[–] RadfemBlack 1 points (+1|-0)

I’m a rising freshman signed up for CS. I’m terrified now 😢

[–] hufflepuff-poet 1 points (+1|-0)

Oh no, please don't be! College is an awesome time, focus on classes and finding a strong group of female friends and you'll get through it. Have a great freshman year!!

[–] UberBitchcraft 46 points (+47|-1)

Horrific.

I’ve been a lifelong Blizzard fan, this is so disappointing, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

Why are men so threatened by women who are involved in video games in some way?

It sounds like they all behaved like teenage boys, I mean how fucking old are they drinking like that and going to work hungover? Where do they get the nerve to treat women the way that they do?

I’m disgusted by the trans fucker as well, but the situation with Blizzard is a bit soul crushing. Call me dramatic, but it’s one of the things that my older brother and I bonded over, we played WoW, Hearthstone, and Diablo III all the time. It was one of the very best parts of my life. To know that this is the company that created so many things that I loved…

It fucking sucks.

[–] Dravidian [OP] 30 points (+30|-0)

No, I agree, I've played wow for years and even though it was forever ago I still had fond memories of this game. That it's build over the literal bodies of women... Ugh. Sometimes I wish I just wouldn't like videogames. It's such an absolute cesspool. Indies and big studios alike.

[–] UberBitchcraft 16 points (+18|-2)

Same here. I no longer have a PC, but if I can ever afford to buy something expensive that isn't totally necessary, I know I'll go back to WoW immediately. That's pretty much the only reason why I care about having a PC. I'm good with my PS4, but Warcraft is the best game that I've ever played in my life. I want a tattoo with a night elf theme, with a sprite darter and a few wisps. Merlocs were one of my favourites. Not to brag, but I can do the murloc noises perfectly.

Sorry, anyway, I don't really interact with many others in the game, or any other game for that matter. When I do, I never use a mic. The last thing I want is for anyone to know that I'm female, I know it's not going to be a fun experience.

It's a shame, really.

[–] DiabolicalPinkBunny 👽💕🐇 12 points (+12|-0)

Oh, same on waiting to have the money to renew my subscription. I've loved this game for years!

[–] Liandra 27 points (+27|-0)

As an ex Blizzard employee who worked in one of the European offices for 11 years, I'm not even surprised. Sad that it was SO bad in California but not like we didn't have stuff that was nicely swept under the rug either. The whole gaming industry isn't easy to navigate as a woman.

[–] UberBitchcraft 9 points (+9|-0)

Can I ask why you left? Was it because of stuff like the Cali lawsuit?

[–] Liandra 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

Huge redundancy. I didn't leave because of sexual harassment, but I have experienced it in the company. Imho our HR team at the end was relatively good (compared to other offices) and also HR in Europe isn't HR in the US. The culture was very different team to team (ours had some sexual harassment issues I know of, but promotion wasn't sexist for example) and they did make an effort to improve but even in really good companies, employees often don't report sexual harassment. One of my stories is, that I was groped by my manager and I really didn't want to tell anyone. I felt ashamed because as a woman in a dominantly male team (80-90%) it feels like you have to be one of the boys, laugh at the jokes etc. Better become the most joking one etc. In my immediate unit I was the only woman. So I didn't feel like I could report it, also he was very popular. I got another manager soon later and tried to forget it.

There are some really cool guys at the company and not everybody is a fratboy but if the manager is one, the whole team is sour. I also know men who got fired over conflict with managers, so speaking up is scary. Usually they can construct underperformance especially in the US.

[–] Wegotthebeat 7 points (+7|-0)

Hey :) Don’t dox yourself! Edit some of this?

[–] Liandra 5 points (+5|-0)

Thanks, I think it should be ok (we were several hundred employees), but I removed the country I worked in, just in case.

[–] shewolfoffrance 5 points (+5|-0)

I used to play Warcraft II with my brothers a lot. It's like finding out that a writer you love abuses his family.

[–] Shinyowl 40 points (+40|-0) Edited

I've never been a gamer, but the thought that one of these lumberjacks in a spinny skirt is actually worried about being sexually harassed is a true laugh riot.

The TIM I was with briefly was all on fire about his persecution as a lesbian.

It was truly, massively annoying.

[–] sconsolato 16 points (+16|-0)

"lumberjacks in a spinny skirt" is my favorite description of a TIM that I have ever heard. Thank you for the laugh!

[–] Shinyowl 5 points (+5|-0)

I'm so happy that I could provide some comic relief! : )

[–] Kerihobo 36 points (+38|-2) Edited

Game dev industry is super TRA-happy. One of our keynotes at a GDC was entirely dedicated to how much we welcome our LGBTQ friends seeing as we are allies and all... was kinda pissed I paid $150 to attend... and that was years ago before I knew what was going on... my actual thoughts at the time were "wtf does this have to do with game dev???".

I've since realized the entire industry is a rainbow colored ghetto. We had push for women in games which lasted all of a few years and now has heen replaced with this, and yeah, like you found, often a women given a platform is actually an m2f dude. I should have been a carpenter.

I swear, it started with the Bronies, and now here we are. One of the most well-known tropes for a girl entering her first studio role is to be approached by nearly every guy in the studio and be told: "Hey, you new here? Well, I've been in the industry for... quiiite awhile... u let me know if u want any tips eh????" Im a guy, nobody did that to me on my first day, yet I saw this with pretty much every female who joined...

In terms of grooming and power-tripping, it's unbelievable... yeah, can confirm, there was all that.

[–] sconsolato 21 points (+21|-0)

"often a woman given a platform is actually a mtf dude"

I hate how true this is.

One thing I read online once was this, regarding all the MtFs in the tech world:

“How to succeed as a woman in a STEM field? Be a man for forty years.”

What’s really infuriating is that they take up the limelight with their self-fellating “not only do I have it rough because I’m a woman, I have it SUPER MEGA ROUGH because I’m a TRANS woman in STEM! That’s twice the oppression, and twice the inspiring life story! I know because I can do the math.”

Then the hiring guys are like “shit, she CAN do the math. Better than a natal woman, anyway, so hire her instead of some female. It’ll make us look good and we don’t have to bring some Stacy on the team.”

[–] TiredDev 31 points (+31|-0)

I can only imagine the amount of courage it took those women to not only suffer through such an abusive work environment, but also to speak up about it. It's laughable to pretend that TIMs have any sort of likewise oppression, when they're being catered to out of PR fears. It's a pleasant surprise when women are even listened to, but I can't even wrap my head around the notion of being catered to in the same way based on our sex/gender.

[–] sconsolato 25 points (+25|-0)

This is the kind of shit that pisses me off the most. They have no idea what it's like to be in fear for their lives just because they are smaller, not as strong, and outnumbered. I recently stopped wearing headphones on my jogs out of fear, because what if I can't hear someone approaching behind me? Women have been abducted, raped and murdered while doing something as innocuous as jogging while listening to music. Men cannot possibly understand those very real fears.

[–] immersang 5 points (+5|-0)

A few years ago I read a commentary by a male journalist who had an "aha moment" when he talked to one of his female co-workers about biking back home from work in the evening. She made a comment about how long it took her and he asked her why she didn't just take a certain short-cut through a park. That's how he learned that no, women don't just bike or walk home alone in the dark through a lonely park that's sparsely lit. They rather take half an hour more home.

At least he seemed to feel genuinely bad that he hadn't even considered that before.

[–] sconsolato 5 points (+5|-0)

it's crazy how it never occurs to men what it's like for women to feel unsafe in certain situations, but women are acutely aware from a very young age of how different life is for men in those very same situations.

[–] Srfthrowaway 4 points (+4|-0)

I told this story before I think. We were in a very crowded restaurant (remember those? Pepperidge Farms remembers) and Nigel caught me scanning for exits. He said I was like a ninja. I said (truthfully) I didn't realize I was doing it, it's just second nature for women. He hadn't thought of that before.

[–] NotCis 13 points (+13|-0)

I agree. On every other issue, people understand that appropriation is wrong, but for this, appropriation is ok to TIMs and so is outright lying (“TERFs send me thousands of rape threats on Twitter”, no receipts). Over it.

[–] nemesis 12 points (+12|-0)

I agree 100% with you and I'm sure other women do too.

A popular trend on social media is TIMs going on spiels about it and simultaneously posting disgusting, misogynistic "jokes" where they themselves contribute to the trash fest. The worst I've seen has been from TIMs on Tumblr. It worries me they're encouraging the youth as young as 13-years-old to be fine with it.

[–] yesisaiditxx 12 points (+12|-0)

I think behind a lot of this theres yet another male assumption that women who go through this get coddled by men who are just jostling to step out and look like a knight for them. A lot of their motivations IMO are rooted in fantasies about how to be appealing to men. What makes it even more disgusting is, I don’t know about all of you but at least for ME, the majority of the times anything horrible has happened to me at the hands of men and I later told a boyfriend or close male friend the response was usually painfully stiff, awkward, and entirely lacking of substance. Men are more likely to grumble “Err, um, I’m sorry” than they are to actually comfort you at all, so again these sick men are just taking every bit of their toxic masculinity and reflecting it back on themselves as “women”.

[–] lucrecia 1 points (+1|-0)

I still laugh whenever I think about the middle-aged dude who was at a business conference and tweeted that he feared that the hotel authorities would mistake him for a victim of sex-trafficking and detain him. He believed he was a "woman travelling alone" and would therefore match their risk profile. He was deadly serious.