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*NOTE: Japanese often leaves out the subject which is tough to replicate in English, so I use "they/their" as a compromise because I don't want to put words in the twitterer's mouths, but there are no pronouns in the original Japanese.

Tweets in response to news article:

"トランスジェンダー選手、五輪へ - 史上初、重量挙げ女子"
"Transgender athlete goes to the Olympics - Historical first, woman weightlifter"
Jun 12, 2021 https://twitter.com/kyodo_official/status/1403722910246735878

体格そもそも違うやんけ!
To begin with their physique is totally different!

はい優勝
テストステロン等ホルモンの分泌量が違いすぎる。
Right, they've won.
The levels of hormones like testosterone that are produced are too different.

不平等
Unfair

これはいかんでしょ
This is wrong isn't it

もうなんでもありだな
Anything goes now

スポーツって心を競うものだっけ
Sports is a competition of the mind?

もう遺伝子情報のxxかxyで決めたらいいんじゃないかな...
Wouldn't it be a good idea to decide based on the chromosomes xx and xy...?

トラジェンピックを新たに開催するしかない。
The only option is to create a new Tragenpics event
("tragen"/トラジェン is a condensed version of "transgender"/トランスジェンダー, tragenpics is supposed to be 'transgender' + 'olympics')

筋肉の付きやすさが男女で異なるのだからトランスジェンダーが女性部門に参加するのは有利よな…
Because of the difference in the sexes in how easy it is to put on muscle, transgenders have an advantage participating in the women's category...

オリンピック、パラリンピック、ジェンダーピックの3大会開催しよう
Let's have 3 events, Olympics, Paralympics, Genderpics

五輪までこれかい。
あまりに不公平。
Even the Olympics is doing this. It's super unfair.

難しいけど区別した方がいい 心と体が違う性別でも成長の仕方違うだろし
男女で分けた意味が無くなる
It's complicated but the distinction must be made [between men and women]. Even if the mind and body are a different gender, the body has gone through a different growth. The meaning of having men's and women's categories will disappear.

差別はダメだが区別はしなきゃ
Discrimination is wrong, but a distinction must be made [between men and women]

公平ではないよね... 筋肉や骨格が違うのだから、生物学上の女子ではない。 こういう人たちが大会に参加するのであれば、トランスジェンダー女子部門を設けないと普通の女子は太刀打ちできないよ。
This isn't fair... Because the muscle and physique is different, biologically they aren't women. If people like this participate in the competition, and they don't create a category for transwomen, normal women stand no chance of winning.

競技というのは同じ条件の元、誰が優れているかを競うことだと思うがね‥‥。
I think a competition is people competing based on the same requirements and seeing who is the best...

いやいやいや
No, no, no

ずる
Cheater

この方が男子部門に出るなら応援されたと思うけど、女子部門に出るのはフェアじゃないよ…
I think I would have supported this person if they had competed in the men's category, but competing in the women's category is unfair...

興ざめだ。
Fun spoiler.

なんというか、何歳で性転換したんだろうか。それまでは自然的に筋肉増強剤を打っていたも同然なんじゃないかなともおもうけれど。将来のこういうパワー種目は性転換した元男性が上位を占めるようになるのかもね。
So, at what age did they transition? Until then, I think it was like they were naturally doping. In the future, the top places in strength categories will probably be all people who were previously men.

これはキチンと議論しないと。 男子の中じゃ勝てないけど女子相手だったら勝てる人が雪崩込んで来ると思う。 メダルへの執着と焦りからドーピングに手を出す選手もいるし代表になるため国籍を変える選手もいるのだから勝利のために手段を選ばない選手も出てくる可能性がある。
This must be properly debated. I think people who can't win against men, but can win against women are going to rush in. There are athletes who want a medal so bad they dope, there are athletes who change what country they represent to be able to compete, there is the possibility that athletes will do whatever it takes to win.

そのうち心は女ですって言うターミネーターが参加して人間では取れないような記録出しそう
Soon, it seems like there could be a Terminator who competes who says their mind is a woman's, and will record a score that no human could

平等と公平は違うもんだろ
Equality and fairness are different things, aren't they

馬鹿げてる!
Nonsense!


Man

これに賛成する人はいるのだろうか。
Are there people who approve of this?

男参戦しちゃあかんやろ笑笑
A man competing is wrong, lol

オリンピック女子、終わりの始まり。
Women's Olympics, it's the beginning of the end.

今のジェンダー事情は混沌とし過ぎている。 今一度生物学観点に戻るべき。
The current gender [identity] situation is such chaos. We must return to a biological point of view.

五輪、御臨終だよね。
It's the dying hour of the Olympics.

これは間違ってる。
This is wrong.

は?
……は?
ありえんだろ。
What? .....What? There's no way.

何の茶番だよ……
What farce is this.....

スポーツに性自認関係なくないですか?
Isn't gender identity irrelevant to sports?

もう 女子は勝てないwwwwww
Women can't win anymore lololol

こりゃダメだろう 女子選手は猛抗議しないのかな?
This is wrong isn't it. Are female athletes not fiercely protesting it?
-> 抗議されてますよ。 でも抗議した女性選手が差別だと叩かれてます
It is being objected against. But the female athletes who protest are scolded as being discriminatory.
--> 腐った世の中だな
It's a rotten world, isn't it

マジで図々しいやつだよな 少しも後ろめたさがなさそう
This person is seriously shameless. They don't look even look a bit guilty.
-> 他人を思いやれないの、中身も男じゃんって思いますね
They can't sympathize with others, I think their mind is also male

これで金取れなかったら恥だな。
If they don't win gold it will be embarrassing.

Q 女子スポーツでトップになりたいです
A まず男に産まれてください
こうなるわけかぁ
ひっでえ世界だ
Q: I want to win at women's sports. A: Please be born a man.
It will become like this. What an awful world.

筋肉量が根本的に違うだろう… これじゃ競技にならない…
The amount of muscle is fundamentally different... This doesn't amount to a competition...
->肺活量の時点で約3割減だからなぁ P-47とFw190くらいの差がある
Women have around 30% less lung capacity. It's like the difference between a P-47 and a FW190.

アカン。トランスジェンダー枠必要。ダメ、絶対。
This is wrong. They need a transgender category. This is wrong, definitely.

ドーピングと変わらないよね
It's no different than doping

*NOTE: Japanese often leaves out the subject which is tough to replicate in English, so I use "they/their" as a compromise because I don't want to put words in the twitterer's mouths, but there are no pronouns in the original Japanese. ★ Tweets in response to news article: "トランスジェンダー選手、五輪へ - 史上初、重量挙げ女子" "Transgender athlete goes to the Olympics - Historical first, woman weightlifter" Jun 12, 2021 https://twitter.com/kyodo_official/status/1403722910246735878 ★ 体格そもそも違うやんけ! To begin with their physique is totally different! はい優勝 テストステロン等ホルモンの分泌量が違いすぎる。 Right, they've won. The levels of hormones like testosterone that are produced are too different. 不平等 Unfair これはいかんでしょ This is wrong isn't it もうなんでもありだな Anything goes now スポーツって心を競うものだっけ Sports is a competition of the mind? もう遺伝子情報のxxかxyで決めたらいいんじゃないかな... Wouldn't it be a good idea to decide based on the chromosomes xx and xy...? トラジェンピックを新たに開催するしかない。 The only option is to create a new Tragenpics event ("tragen"/トラジェン is a condensed version of "transgender"/トランスジェンダー, tragenpics is supposed to be 'transgender' + 'olympics') 筋肉の付きやすさが男女で異なるのだからトランスジェンダーが女性部門に参加するのは有利よな… Because of the difference in the sexes in how easy it is to put on muscle, transgenders have an advantage participating in the women's category... オリンピック、パラリンピック、ジェンダーピックの3大会開催しよう Let's have 3 events, Olympics, Paralympics, Genderpics 五輪までこれかい。 あまりに不公平。 Even the Olympics is doing this. It's super unfair. 難しいけど区別した方がいい 心と体が違う性別でも成長の仕方違うだろし 男女で分けた意味が無くなる It's complicated but the distinction must be made [between men and women]. Even if the mind and body are a different gender, the body has gone through a different growth. The meaning of having men's and women's categories will disappear. 差別はダメだが区別はしなきゃ Discrimination is wrong, but a distinction must be made [between men and women] 公平ではないよね... 筋肉や骨格が違うのだから、生物学上の女子ではない。 こういう人たちが大会に参加するのであれば、トランスジェンダー女子部門を設けないと普通の女子は太刀打ちできないよ。 This isn't fair... Because the muscle and physique is different, biologically they aren't women. If people like this participate in the competition, and they don't create a category for transwomen, normal women stand no chance of winning. 競技というのは同じ条件の元、誰が優れているかを競うことだと思うがね‥‥。 I think a competition is people competing based on the same requirements and seeing who is the best... いやいやいや No, no, no ずる Cheater この方が男子部門に出るなら応援されたと思うけど、女子部門に出るのはフェアじゃないよ… I think I would have supported this person if they had competed in the men's category, but competing in the women's category is unfair... 興ざめだ。 Fun spoiler. なんというか、何歳で性転換したんだろうか。それまでは自然的に筋肉増強剤を打っていたも同然なんじゃないかなともおもうけれど。将来のこういうパワー種目は性転換した元男性が上位を占めるようになるのかもね。 So, at what age did they transition? Until then, I think it was like they were naturally doping. In the future, the top places in strength categories will probably be all people who were previously men. これはキチンと議論しないと。 男子の中じゃ勝てないけど女子相手だったら勝てる人が雪崩込んで来ると思う。 メダルへの執着と焦りからドーピングに手を出す選手もいるし代表になるため国籍を変える選手もいるのだから勝利のために手段を選ばない選手も出てくる可能性がある。 This must be properly debated. I think people who can't win against men, but can win against women are going to rush in. There are athletes who want a medal so bad they dope, there are athletes who change what country they represent to be able to compete, there is the possibility that athletes will do whatever it takes to win. そのうち心は女ですって言うターミネーターが参加して人間では取れないような記録出しそう Soon, it seems like there could be a Terminator who competes who says their mind is a woman's, and will record a score that no human could 平等と公平は違うもんだろ Equality and fairness are different things, aren't they 馬鹿げてる! Nonsense! 男 Man これに賛成する人はいるのだろうか。 Are there people who approve of this? 男参戦しちゃあかんやろ笑笑 A man competing is wrong, lol オリンピック女子、終わりの始まり。 Women's Olympics, it's the beginning of the end. 今のジェンダー事情は混沌とし過ぎている。 今一度生物学観点に戻るべき。 The current gender [identity] situation is such chaos. We must return to a biological point of view. 五輪、御臨終だよね。 It's the dying hour of the Olympics. これは間違ってる。 This is wrong. は? ……は? ありえんだろ。 What? .....What? There's no way. 何の茶番だよ…… What farce is this..... スポーツに性自認関係なくないですか? Isn't gender identity irrelevant to sports? もう 女子は勝てないwwwwww Women can't win anymore lololol こりゃダメだろう 女子選手は猛抗議しないのかな? This is wrong isn't it. Are female athletes not fiercely protesting it? -> 抗議されてますよ。 でも抗議した女性選手が差別だと叩かれてます It is being objected against. But the female athletes who protest are scolded as being discriminatory. --> 腐った世の中だな It's a rotten world, isn't it マジで図々しいやつだよな 少しも後ろめたさがなさそう This person is seriously shameless. They don't look even look a bit guilty. -> 他人を思いやれないの、中身も男じゃんって思いますね They can't sympathize with others, I think their mind is also male これで金取れなかったら恥だな。 If they don't win gold it will be embarrassing. Q 女子スポーツでトップになりたいです A まず男に産まれてください こうなるわけかぁ ひっでえ世界だ Q: I want to win at women's sports. A: Please be born a man. It will become like this. What an awful world. 筋肉量が根本的に違うだろう… これじゃ競技にならない… The amount of muscle is fundamentally different... This doesn't amount to a competition... ->肺活量の時点で約3割減だからなぁ P-47とFw190くらいの差がある Women have around 30% less lung capacity. It's like the difference between a P-47 and a FW190. アカン。トランスジェンダー枠必要。ダメ、絶対。 This is wrong. They need a transgender category. This is wrong, definitely. ドーピングと変わらないよね It's no different than doping

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[–] IrishTheFrenchie 79 points (+79|-0)

Soon, it seems like there could be a Terminator who competes who says their mind is a woman's, and will record a score that no human could

This person wins.

[–] LasagnaRossa 1 points (+1|-0)

You kidding but I've heard someone so much woke that he affirmed that if a robot would identify itself with humanity then it would be human.

[–] sconsolato 57 points (+57|-0) Edited

"Sports is a competition of the mind?"

easily the best commentary I have ever heard on the issue. you might identify as a woman, but its not your identity that is competing, it's your body. your male body.

"They can't sympathize with others, I think their mind is also male"

This just keeps getting better. Thank you so much for translating this and taking the time to share with us!

[–] calming-tea 6 points (+6|-0)

I would tune in on the gender olympics - sport of the mind. The headline event should be how long can you go without misgendering - you have to talk about this genderspecial and every round a neopronoun gets added. You can get combos if you mix and match appropriately, with different scores based on how well you can mix and match.

[–] sconsolato 3 points (+3|-0)

YES! the next event can be "how long can you go without contradicting the fundamentals of your own ideology". then perhaps, "who can strip a protected class of all of their rights the fastest".

[–] calming-tea 1 points (+1|-0)

how long can you go without contradicting the fundamentals of your own ideology

This needs to be preceded by an event where they put down the fundamentals of their own ideology in a way that makes sense

Ugh.

I can't find it but one of the founders of "Fair Play for Women" testified in one of the state legislatures and said

Bodies play sports, not identities.

It was brilliant.

[–] madderthanhell 42 points (+42|-0)

Sanity prevails among Japanese people as it does among the masses of people everywhere; it is only the social engineers and their squadrons of handmaidens and pornsick men who support the obscene intrusion of men into women's sporting competitions.

[–] yikesforever [OP] 44 points (+45|-1)

I just find it interesting that they seem to love Japan, like you'd think it was some oasis for trans people, but there are basically no supportive comments, or way beyond this, any laws and such. No self id, people must get the surgery to identify as the opposite sex on legal docs, etc.

I guess TRAs and such just like anime, and don't know much else.

[–] BiologyIsReal 27 points (+27|-0) Edited

They know. They just think Japan is backward when it comes to trans issues. They may cry about how some anime are so "transphobic" and reinterprete some characters as "trans" or "non-binary" even if there is no evidence of it in the shows.

Edit: and thanks for translating the comments. They are exaclty as I expected, haha.

[–] Hollyhock 28 points (+28|-0)

They can't sympathize with others, I think their mind is also male

A truth universally accepted.

[–] Livin 24 points (+24|-0) Edited

It's really encouraging to know that other women across the world feel the same way we do! Inherently, I already know it. However, when it's literally a crime to say anything about the physical differences between the sexes, social media bans you outright, and mainstream media outlets are writing pathetic articles stating that there is no such thing as physical differences between males and females and its scientific fact. Statements declaring that Hubbard is jut the same as every other female competing. I feel like I live in a transgender Orwellian nightmare.

[–] Calico 19 points (+19|-0)

Looks like we have ourselves a brand new TERF island! Soon we’ll have a TERF archipelago, and at this rate at least one whole TERF continent!

[–] Maplefields 8 points (+10|-2)

Lol. I’d categorize them more as “GC” island. Japanese society is so very far from radical feminism.

[–] radically_done 10 points (+10|-0)

Thank you for doing the translations and explanations! I always like to see how things are going outside the anglosphere.

Would you say these are the majority views of most Japanese publications and organizations, or is it similar to us in the English speaking world, where people with such views are very much on the outer of society?

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