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5% want to be called that. 95% do not. Some responses

latinx and latine both come from feminist organizers and queer and trans organizers in latin america and i’ll never forgive the people who’ve completed erased the origins and credit white americans for why these words exist.

The white liberal press is the only one to take this silliness on. And they did it out of ignorance of the Spanish language. I think the words you are looking for is "thank you." I certainly have no respect for the whtie liberal press, so rudely throwing all Hispanic people under the bus to look Woke. But it's been to your benefit, otherwise you'd never seen "Latinx" outside of your diary.

“Transgender and gender-nonconforming Latin Americans living in the U.S. have used the “X” as a reminder that their bodies are still experiencing a colonization invested in disciplining them to fit a standard gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation…”

This is academic spew, inaccessible to the common people who do not have the time or resources to ponder in sophistry.

“For this reason, it is important for us to not normalize “Latinx,” but to engage in critical reflection of how violence against LGBTQIA+ Latin Americans has been accepted by Latin American people to the point that LGBTQIA+ Latinxs have had to create a linguistic intervention…in the hopes that they can live a livable life.”

The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that.

How is an inaccessible and inaccurate word imposed on Americans supposed to do anything? "Latinx" is an idea that could only come from Ivory Tower charletons who don't know how to fix violence, and aren't really interested anyway.

“i don’t want to be called that though.” okay then do not self-identify that way. unlike the spanish language and gender in general, latine/x is not going to be violently imposed on people who don’t feel affirmed by its use. :) y’all gonna call me whatever i say to though.

Have you been listening? The word is now required among English speakers. Say it or be a bigot. As a civil servant I am now expected to use the word to describe all Latino and Hispanic people as a whole. The word does not make sense in Spanish OR English. I could have been asked to use "Latin" which is appropriate in English. Adding the "X" is newspeak. I am required to use a word most L&H people find offensive and I am supposed to provide service to them.

And this finger snapping, imperious "y'all gonna call me whatever I say to, though" is exactly why people have so little sympathy for TRAs of all stripes. No one will call you "Latinx" unless it's widely used, which is why you want it shoved through. So you ARE imposing it on the rest of us. And you are whatever your sex is, whether you like it or not.

You are no more important than any other Latino/a or Hispanic person. Your opinion is not more important than theirs, and if you are about to introduce a label that will be applied to all of them they have the right to push back.

I do not speak enough Spanish to read or watch the Spanish-speaking press. But it's not lost on me that activists have a much easier time getting clueless or cowardly white, Anglo elites to capitulate to this nonsense. After all, it's no skin off their noses if other Latino/a and Hispanic people feel insulted, so long as they get to be Woke.

I, however, try to do my job properly and have people I serve walk away feeling better, not worse. If TRAs expect me to prioritize their metaphysical beliefs about gender over everyone else, I know they view others as worthless peasants.

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1423107586266632192/photo/2 5% want to be called that. 95% do not. Some responses > latinx and latine both come from feminist organizers and queer and trans organizers in latin america and i’ll never forgive the people who’ve completed erased the origins and credit white americans for why these words exist. The white liberal press is the only one to take this silliness on. And they did it out of ignorance of the Spanish language. I think the words you are looking for is "thank you." *I* certainly have no respect for the whtie liberal press, so rudely throwing all Hispanic people under the bus to look Woke. But it's been to your benefit, otherwise you'd never seen "Latinx" outside of your diary. > “Transgender and gender-nonconforming Latin Americans living in the U.S. have used the “X” as a reminder that their bodies are still experiencing a colonization invested in disciplining them to fit a standard gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation…” This is academic spew, inaccessible to the common people who do not have the time or resources to ponder in sophistry. > “For this reason, it is important for us to not normalize “Latinx,” but to engage in critical reflection of how violence against LGBTQIA+ Latin Americans has been accepted by Latin American people to the point that LGBTQIA+ Latinxs have had to create a linguistic intervention…in the hopes that they can live a livable life.” The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that. How is an inaccessible and inaccurate word imposed on Americans supposed to do anything? "Latinx" is an idea that could only come from Ivory Tower charletons who don't know how to fix violence, and aren't really interested anyway. > “i don’t want to be called that though.” okay then do not self-identify that way. unlike the spanish language and gender in general, latine/x is not going to be violently imposed on people who don’t feel affirmed by its use. :) y’all gonna call me whatever i say to though. Have you been listening? The word is now required among English speakers. Say it or be a bigot. As a civil servant I am now expected to use the word to describe all Latino and Hispanic people as a whole. The word does not make sense in Spanish OR English. I could have been asked to use "Latin" which is appropriate in English. Adding the "X" is newspeak. I am required to use a word most L&H people find offensive and I am supposed to provide service to them. And this finger snapping, imperious "y'all gonna call me whatever I say to, though" is exactly why people have so little sympathy for TRAs of all stripes. No one will call you "Latinx" unless it's widely used, which is why you want it shoved through. So you ARE imposing it on the rest of us. And you are whatever your sex is, whether you like it or not. You are no more important than any other Latino/a or Hispanic person. Your opinion is not more important than theirs, and if you are about to introduce a label that will be applied to all of them they have the right to push back. I do not speak enough Spanish to read or watch the Spanish-speaking press. But it's not lost on me that activists have a much easier time getting clueless or cowardly white, Anglo elites to capitulate to this nonsense. After all, it's no skin off their noses if other Latino/a and Hispanic people feel insulted, so long as they get to be Woke. I, however, try to do my job properly and have people I serve walk away feeling better, not worse. If TRAs expect me to prioritize their metaphysical beliefs about gender over everyone else, I know they view others as worthless peasants.

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My dad was full Mexican and technically I'm only second generation American on that side. I grew up surrounded with Mexican culture and family. This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I can guarantee you none of my family will even have heard of this, let alone use it.

And people say it's unpronounceable in Spanish. I know some Spanish but I'm not a native speaker, and all I see when I see the word is the English pronunciation of Latin-ex.

How would one say this in Spanish?

[–] LisbonMuse 17 points Edited

Yeah that's the thing, I don't think you really can - Latino is the masculine form, but it's also the gender neutral form when there are both sexes in a group. So if you were referring to a group of females and males it would be Latinos. The X doesn't even grammatically or pronunciation-wise make sense in Spanish. It sounds like it's made for English only.

[–] bellatrixbells BoobatrixRex 4 points

Technically the X is pronounced more or less like an English H. Go figure how you shove that at the end of a word. To me this just sounds like linguistic colonization from a bunch of idiots who don't realize that not every language in the world is Englosh because they have exactly no sense of perspective.

[–] KBash 3 points Edited

The only people I knew who used it (and I don’t say this to be unkind; they were lovely people) were second or more generation, fairly well-off, young Americans who had been brought up without speaking their second language (maybe learning it in adulthood or speaking it a little bit, not really having grown up immersed in it, in a bilingual household). Their parents were usually one English and one Spanish speaker, which explains that; and they defaulted to English.

Their kids would have inevitably encountered Wokeism, and taken on the correct language.

Meanwhile, young people who grew up in a Spanish-speaking household (regardless of wealth, I’d wager, though I’m sure this especially applies to lower income households) do not say “Latinx.” They may have heard the word somewhere, but feel weird about saying it, since it’s so foreign-sounding (it really is to me, too! I lived in Mexico for years, and never once heard “Latinx”).

I have heard older Mexican feminists and other more politically aware people using latine, and seen them writing latin@. Not Latinx, though (latine makes more sense to me, phonetically; it sounds more natural. There is a lot of pre-gender theory feminist history around the word “latine”). I’ve heard an old hip guy referring to the group as “nosotras” despite all the men there, as part of a tradition of subverting the sexism of defaulting to the male group pronouns in the case of male presence (in Spanish, all pronouns except for I and you and the formal plural you are gendered, more or less).

I do think latinx has moved into Chicano culture, especially in families who have been in the United States for a long time. The Spanish spoke among American Hispanics rather than that of recent immigrants has its own flavor, color, slang, English loan words etc (whether it’s Chicanos, Puerto Ricans, Cuban-Americans, etc).

Latinx is not something I’ve heard once in Mexico, which doesn’t mean it’s not said there; but I’m guessed it would be in pretty rarefied spheres.

I'm in the South West and I've never heard anyone here use it. Just crazy genderists on Reddit and Tumblr.