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5% want to be called that. 95% do not. Some responses

latinx and latine both come from feminist organizers and queer and trans organizers in latin america and i’ll never forgive the people who’ve completed erased the origins and credit white americans for why these words exist.

The white liberal press is the only one to take this silliness on. And they did it out of ignorance of the Spanish language. I think the words you are looking for is "thank you." I certainly have no respect for the whtie liberal press, so rudely throwing all Hispanic people under the bus to look Woke. But it's been to your benefit, otherwise you'd never seen "Latinx" outside of your diary.

“Transgender and gender-nonconforming Latin Americans living in the U.S. have used the “X” as a reminder that their bodies are still experiencing a colonization invested in disciplining them to fit a standard gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation…”

This is academic spew, inaccessible to the common people who do not have the time or resources to ponder in sophistry.

“For this reason, it is important for us to not normalize “Latinx,” but to engage in critical reflection of how violence against LGBTQIA+ Latin Americans has been accepted by Latin American people to the point that LGBTQIA+ Latinxs have had to create a linguistic intervention…in the hopes that they can live a livable life.”

The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that.

How is an inaccessible and inaccurate word imposed on Americans supposed to do anything? "Latinx" is an idea that could only come from Ivory Tower charletons who don't know how to fix violence, and aren't really interested anyway.

“i don’t want to be called that though.” okay then do not self-identify that way. unlike the spanish language and gender in general, latine/x is not going to be violently imposed on people who don’t feel affirmed by its use. :) y’all gonna call me whatever i say to though.

Have you been listening? The word is now required among English speakers. Say it or be a bigot. As a civil servant I am now expected to use the word to describe all Latino and Hispanic people as a whole. The word does not make sense in Spanish OR English. I could have been asked to use "Latin" which is appropriate in English. Adding the "X" is newspeak. I am required to use a word most L&H people find offensive and I am supposed to provide service to them.

And this finger snapping, imperious "y'all gonna call me whatever I say to, though" is exactly why people have so little sympathy for TRAs of all stripes. No one will call you "Latinx" unless it's widely used, which is why you want it shoved through. So you ARE imposing it on the rest of us. And you are whatever your sex is, whether you like it or not.

You are no more important than any other Latino/a or Hispanic person. Your opinion is not more important than theirs, and if you are about to introduce a label that will be applied to all of them they have the right to push back.

I do not speak enough Spanish to read or watch the Spanish-speaking press. But it's not lost on me that activists have a much easier time getting clueless or cowardly white, Anglo elites to capitulate to this nonsense. After all, it's no skin off their noses if other Latino/a and Hispanic people feel insulted, so long as they get to be Woke.

I, however, try to do my job properly and have people I serve walk away feeling better, not worse. If TRAs expect me to prioritize their metaphysical beliefs about gender over everyone else, I know they view others as worthless peasants.

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1423107586266632192/photo/2 5% want to be called that. 95% do not. Some responses > latinx and latine both come from feminist organizers and queer and trans organizers in latin america and i’ll never forgive the people who’ve completed erased the origins and credit white americans for why these words exist. The white liberal press is the only one to take this silliness on. And they did it out of ignorance of the Spanish language. I think the words you are looking for is "thank you." *I* certainly have no respect for the whtie liberal press, so rudely throwing all Hispanic people under the bus to look Woke. But it's been to your benefit, otherwise you'd never seen "Latinx" outside of your diary. > “Transgender and gender-nonconforming Latin Americans living in the U.S. have used the “X” as a reminder that their bodies are still experiencing a colonization invested in disciplining them to fit a standard gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation…” This is academic spew, inaccessible to the common people who do not have the time or resources to ponder in sophistry. > “For this reason, it is important for us to not normalize “Latinx,” but to engage in critical reflection of how violence against LGBTQIA+ Latin Americans has been accepted by Latin American people to the point that LGBTQIA+ Latinxs have had to create a linguistic intervention…in the hopes that they can live a livable life.” The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that. How is an inaccessible and inaccurate word imposed on Americans supposed to do anything? "Latinx" is an idea that could only come from Ivory Tower charletons who don't know how to fix violence, and aren't really interested anyway. > “i don’t want to be called that though.” okay then do not self-identify that way. unlike the spanish language and gender in general, latine/x is not going to be violently imposed on people who don’t feel affirmed by its use. :) y’all gonna call me whatever i say to though. Have you been listening? The word is now required among English speakers. Say it or be a bigot. As a civil servant I am now expected to use the word to describe all Latino and Hispanic people as a whole. The word does not make sense in Spanish OR English. I could have been asked to use "Latin" which is appropriate in English. Adding the "X" is newspeak. I am required to use a word most L&H people find offensive and I am supposed to provide service to them. And this finger snapping, imperious "y'all gonna call me whatever I say to, though" is exactly why people have so little sympathy for TRAs of all stripes. No one will call you "Latinx" unless it's widely used, which is why you want it shoved through. So you ARE imposing it on the rest of us. And you are whatever your sex is, whether you like it or not. You are no more important than any other Latino/a or Hispanic person. Your opinion is not more important than theirs, and if you are about to introduce a label that will be applied to all of them they have the right to push back. I do not speak enough Spanish to read or watch the Spanish-speaking press. But it's not lost on me that activists have a much easier time getting clueless or cowardly white, Anglo elites to capitulate to this nonsense. After all, it's no skin off their noses if other Latino/a and Hispanic people feel insulted, so long as they get to be Woke. I, however, try to do my job properly and have people I serve walk away feeling better, not worse. If TRAs expect me to prioritize their metaphysical beliefs about gender over everyone else, I know they view others as worthless peasants.

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[–] GrimaceGravis 10 points Edited

I will admit, I had fallen into the LATINX trap until very recently. It is demeaning and dehumanizing to actual Latin American people. I also do not like the word HISPANIC at all, because for me, personally, it makes it sound like Central and South America are still owned by Spain. I have looked at my ancestral family tree and when it comes to the word HISPANIC, it brings up feelings of anger. When one-third of your family tree pretty much just terrorized two-thirds of your family tree, you would feel some type of way too. I personally refer to myself as Latina, because that is what I am. Being born in Central America at the tail end of a 36-year civil war, to only be denied US citizenship for 12 years (one of my parents is a US-born citizen), the kids who try to impose the 'LATINX' term do not know what real hardship is. They do not know what real fear is, and they sure as hell do not have the pride and joy that arises within me when someone recognizes me as a Latina and does not refer to me as a 'HISPANIC' or 'LATINX' person. Simon Bolivar pretty much sums up my feelings with this:

"The hate that the peninsula inspired in us is greater than the ocean between us"%.

Do these kids know who would actually like to live a livable life in Central and South America? Let me give you a hint: IT'S ACTUAL WOMEN. You know, women who are more likely to be forcibly disappeared and then murdered in Guatemala, or more likely to spend 30 years in prison over a miscarriage, abortion, or stillbirth in El Salvador...you know...those people. You know, women in Colombia that weren't considered citizens until the 1930s, and how Ecuador has a human trafficking problem that affects women and children....you know, those people who these kids pretend to care about by using the term 'LATINX'. Women in Central and South America are the ones who are going to be hit with poverty the hardest, who are going to be hit with violence, abuse, trafficking, and murder.

I don't give a rat's ass on what TRAs are trying to push on the Latin community in the US. When our backs are against the wall, we push back hard.

%Comes from Bolivar's 'Jamaica Letter', written in 1815.

[–] Jade -1 points

Ah Simon Bolivar. Conveniently omitting that the people in “the peninsula” are all descendants of the peasants, farmers and shopkeepers who never went to America, had nothing to do with America, and were just trying to get by under an imposed government (absolute monarchy) that extorted them for taxes, whilst actually every “s-wOrD” complaining Latin American has colonizer blood.

Politician inciting hate against harmelss group one ocean apart to manipulate and instigate a fake pride in his own population for political gain. How original.