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5% want to be called that. 95% do not. Some responses

latinx and latine both come from feminist organizers and queer and trans organizers in latin america and i’ll never forgive the people who’ve completed erased the origins and credit white americans for why these words exist.

The white liberal press is the only one to take this silliness on. And they did it out of ignorance of the Spanish language. I think the words you are looking for is "thank you." I certainly have no respect for the whtie liberal press, so rudely throwing all Hispanic people under the bus to look Woke. But it's been to your benefit, otherwise you'd never seen "Latinx" outside of your diary.

“Transgender and gender-nonconforming Latin Americans living in the U.S. have used the “X” as a reminder that their bodies are still experiencing a colonization invested in disciplining them to fit a standard gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation…”

This is academic spew, inaccessible to the common people who do not have the time or resources to ponder in sophistry.

“For this reason, it is important for us to not normalize “Latinx,” but to engage in critical reflection of how violence against LGBTQIA+ Latin Americans has been accepted by Latin American people to the point that LGBTQIA+ Latinxs have had to create a linguistic intervention…in the hopes that they can live a livable life.”

The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that.

How is an inaccessible and inaccurate word imposed on Americans supposed to do anything? "Latinx" is an idea that could only come from Ivory Tower charletons who don't know how to fix violence, and aren't really interested anyway.

“i don’t want to be called that though.” okay then do not self-identify that way. unlike the spanish language and gender in general, latine/x is not going to be violently imposed on people who don’t feel affirmed by its use. :) y’all gonna call me whatever i say to though.

Have you been listening? The word is now required among English speakers. Say it or be a bigot. As a civil servant I am now expected to use the word to describe all Latino and Hispanic people as a whole. The word does not make sense in Spanish OR English. I could have been asked to use "Latin" which is appropriate in English. Adding the "X" is newspeak. I am required to use a word most L&H people find offensive and I am supposed to provide service to them.

And this finger snapping, imperious "y'all gonna call me whatever I say to, though" is exactly why people have so little sympathy for TRAs of all stripes. No one will call you "Latinx" unless it's widely used, which is why you want it shoved through. So you ARE imposing it on the rest of us. And you are whatever your sex is, whether you like it or not.

You are no more important than any other Latino/a or Hispanic person. Your opinion is not more important than theirs, and if you are about to introduce a label that will be applied to all of them they have the right to push back.

I do not speak enough Spanish to read or watch the Spanish-speaking press. But it's not lost on me that activists have a much easier time getting clueless or cowardly white, Anglo elites to capitulate to this nonsense. After all, it's no skin off their noses if other Latino/a and Hispanic people feel insulted, so long as they get to be Woke.

I, however, try to do my job properly and have people I serve walk away feeling better, not worse. If TRAs expect me to prioritize their metaphysical beliefs about gender over everyone else, I know they view others as worthless peasants.

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1423107586266632192/photo/2 5% want to be called that. 95% do not. Some responses > latinx and latine both come from feminist organizers and queer and trans organizers in latin america and i’ll never forgive the people who’ve completed erased the origins and credit white americans for why these words exist. The white liberal press is the only one to take this silliness on. And they did it out of ignorance of the Spanish language. I think the words you are looking for is "thank you." *I* certainly have no respect for the whtie liberal press, so rudely throwing all Hispanic people under the bus to look Woke. But it's been to your benefit, otherwise you'd never seen "Latinx" outside of your diary. > “Transgender and gender-nonconforming Latin Americans living in the U.S. have used the “X” as a reminder that their bodies are still experiencing a colonization invested in disciplining them to fit a standard gender identity, gender presentation, sexual orientation…” This is academic spew, inaccessible to the common people who do not have the time or resources to ponder in sophistry. > “For this reason, it is important for us to not normalize “Latinx,” but to engage in critical reflection of how violence against LGBTQIA+ Latin Americans has been accepted by Latin American people to the point that LGBTQIA+ Latinxs have had to create a linguistic intervention…in the hopes that they can live a livable life.” The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that. How is an inaccessible and inaccurate word imposed on Americans supposed to do anything? "Latinx" is an idea that could only come from Ivory Tower charletons who don't know how to fix violence, and aren't really interested anyway. > “i don’t want to be called that though.” okay then do not self-identify that way. unlike the spanish language and gender in general, latine/x is not going to be violently imposed on people who don’t feel affirmed by its use. :) y’all gonna call me whatever i say to though. Have you been listening? The word is now required among English speakers. Say it or be a bigot. As a civil servant I am now expected to use the word to describe all Latino and Hispanic people as a whole. The word does not make sense in Spanish OR English. I could have been asked to use "Latin" which is appropriate in English. Adding the "X" is newspeak. I am required to use a word most L&H people find offensive and I am supposed to provide service to them. And this finger snapping, imperious "y'all gonna call me whatever I say to, though" is exactly why people have so little sympathy for TRAs of all stripes. No one will call you "Latinx" unless it's widely used, which is why you want it shoved through. So you ARE imposing it on the rest of us. And you are whatever your sex is, whether you like it or not. You are no more important than any other Latino/a or Hispanic person. Your opinion is not more important than theirs, and if you are about to introduce a label that will be applied to all of them they have the right to push back. I do not speak enough Spanish to read or watch the Spanish-speaking press. But it's not lost on me that activists have a much easier time getting clueless or cowardly white, Anglo elites to capitulate to this nonsense. After all, it's no skin off their noses if other Latino/a and Hispanic people feel insulted, so long as they get to be Woke. I, however, try to do my job properly and have people I serve walk away feeling better, not worse. If TRAs expect me to prioritize their metaphysical beliefs about gender over everyone else, I know they view others as worthless peasants.

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[–] Future Is Female 0 points Edited

I’m not Latin American (and so don’t feel like it’s my place to say “it’s offensive” or “it’s fine”) but it’s so interesting reading the responses here.

For what it’s worth, solidarity from this bisexual who was hates being referred to as “queer”. I know it’s a whole different thing though!

Chicana here, the only people in my community/circle that use Latinx are also part of the LGBQT scene. I went to a city in northern Mexico and was talking to a guy who works in AIDS Prevention and he started throwing out the lingo during the conversation "queer, kink shame, sex worker" while we both spoke Spanish. I was appalled.

This is like when they did that huge poll and found that the vast majority of gay people prefer "LGBT" and dislike "LGBTQIAA" but the world keeps insisting on the alphabet soup.

I remember watchinf a very bleak conversation on my social media where one, sole, LGB person was explaining why he/she did not want the alphabet community to go all the way to Z. This person was dogpiled by spicy straights making their case why they should be included.

The murders have overwhelmingly taken place in Central and South America, not the US. You want to bring that murder rate down? You're going to have to go to the countries where they take place and talk to them. But nah, you're too chicken to dare do that.

The issue is that they (white liberals) like to live in a pretend world where all issues only exist in the us and Western Europe, or only exist in the forms they think they exist in in their own countries (as in, “I’ve probably been close to being murdered sooooo many times, too, without even realizing it,” the white gay man thought, as he sipped his cappuccino in his penthouse in Toronto. “It’s probably the same times people assumed I was straight and asked about my wife, or called me a mean name. That’s pretty damn close to murder anyway. That could’ve been avoided if someone had stopped people from both knowing I was a gay man, and knowing I wasn’t a gay man, in the first place. I see no reason why this wouldn’t work in Afghanistan either.” ) and they can assuage their free-floating white guilt through bullshit like this. They act like they’re doing everyone a favor everywhere else in the world by being completely ignorant of them and their circumstances.

White liberals basically view other races and other countries as children, and they’re their parents. They “love” them in a very paternalistic kind of way, “know what’s best” without even having to ask, and if those races resist or want something else entirely, they just need to be sat down and explained, very gently, why they need Latinx, or less policing in high-crime neighborhoods, or why they needed to tell off another white person for wearing ethnic clothing “for them.” It’s racism, but it’s like a “I only do this because I love you so much” racism.

[–] luluthegoon -1 points Edited

I’ve honestly never gotten the hate for Latinx, at least as a gender neutral term it doesn’t bother me at all. Some people care way too much. I also think the “unpronounceable” thing is way overblown. But I guess I’m more receptive to it because I’ve always been annoyed that the mixed-gender plural is masculine.

My biggest problem with it is that it was invented by rich americans because they think they are so much better than us savages and they need to fix our silly languages. Another problem is that for "latinx" to work, you would also need to change adjectives, pronouns and nouns. And also all words with X in them are just representations of queer theory.

Glad to have this issue discussed here as well, as it's been bothering me very much since I first heard the word. Like others have pointed out, it's linguistic colonialism to impose these weird American hang-ups about gender onto another culture's language, especially in a way that doesn't work in that language. It's like spitting in the face of Latinos.

I have literally exited out of a survey I volunteered to take because the Latino option was presented as Latinx. I felt offended and didn't want to support the survey-makers after that.

This is absolutely hilarious, go to absolutely any spanish speaking country saying this crap and I guarentee you're going to get a ton of confused looks lol.

No one except very specific almost regionally defined Americans use this type of language, not even getting into the absolute confusion of pronouns in English let alone other languages.

[–] MenHaveItEasy Moid Respecter 5 points

They'll bleat about respecting preferred pronouns, but not when it comes to respecting what Hispanic people want to be called. First its county of origin, then Hispanic, which happens to be gender neutral already. But its not about gender neutrality. Its about forcing another language to replace their language with made up English words that favor "queer" people that like to use "X" in their identities.

I am a Latina and it irritates me when anyone calls me and my community Latinx. No Latinos use this term! I can't imagine someone fleeing a country like Venezuela or Honduras and comes to the US for asylum only to be called Latinx.

If they wanted a gender neutral term, people have been using "Latin" for ages. But the wokies just had to make up their own, badly spelled variant and force it on Spanish speaking people like the little colonialists they are.

Kind of how they can't use the word "folks" and instead use "folx". Can't roll my eyes hard enough at that.

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