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[–] TheRoyalJesterf 105 points (+105|-0)

Uh oh! Sit down, kids! The grown-ups are talking lol!!

Amazing how everyone who defends JKR is over 40, and almost everyone who attacks her is under 40, isn't it?

I get so sick of hearing the youngsters saying shit like "progress happens one death at a time". It's incredibly ageist, and it erroneously implies that young people are correct by default. There is no respect or even recognition of life experience any more. A bunch of "old people" saying something doesn't necessarily mean they're "backwards conservatives", sometimes it means they've fucking lived longer than you and seen shit you haven't, and they're RIGHT.

[–] [Deleted] 59 points (+59|-0)

It's weird, I got to 30 and had been realizing this for a few years. My parents and GPs have twisted ideas but not 100% of their knowledge is bunk. When I was 20 I thought everyone old was wrong and stupid, but I grew up and learned there's nuance. There are some people who get stuck in their ways but not all arguments come from that.

[–] halfthesky 41 points (+41|-0)

It's partially due to neurobiology. The older part of the brain, which controls the fight, flight (and fuck) impulse is fully developed in late teens. But the pre-frontal cortex, the part that controls logic, which developed most recently in human evolution, is the last part to finish developing, in the late 20's. (STEM people feel free to edit this).

So it's normal to see the world in absolute values until the pre-frontal cortex is grown. I was surprised about age 28 to realize that I could tolerate ideas and people that I had seen as Just Plain Wrong in my teens. (grimace) Didn't necessarily agree with them, just didn't need to fight about everything in order to assert my identity.

[–] [Deleted] 20 points (+20|-0)

Yeah, I understand the mechanism behind it and even had parents and friend's parents who I trusted advise me in a way that told me I was still a kid at 18 (which upset me then a lot). But I know people in their mid 30s who are bought onto the TRA train.

[–] dasehe 43 points (+43|-0)

I get so sick of hearing the youngsters saying shit like "progress happens one death at a time". It's incredibly ageist, and it erroneously implies that young people are correct by default. There is no respect or even recognition of life experience any more. A bunch of "old people" saying something doesn't necessarily mean they're "backwards conservatives", sometimes it means they've fucking lived longer than you and seen shit you haven't, and they're RIGHT.

It really angers me so much when I hear this from some fellow Asians in my corner of the Internet. I've talked a little with American friends before about how differently our societies view aging and the old. I'm not always fond of the Asian deference to age (I think it's often chalked to the massive influence of Confucian thought in certain East Asian societies) because being older doesn't mean you're auto-magically right but I'm sick of how much our values are getting corroded. We don't get a chance to define progress for ourselves: we're just fed a vision of Western progress to swallow hook, line, and sinker. It's a missed opportunity.

It's used with a laughable amount of arrogance. Progress does often happen one death at a time. It's just that progress isn't always linear. Sometimes you're the Mongols burning down the House of Wisdom. And sometimes you're Galileo, and there's no real way to know from our very limited perspective.

[–] [Deleted] 49 points (+49|-0) Edited

There should be a balance -- older people should listen to the concerns of younger people, while younger people should have at least some basic respect for the fact that older people have lived through a lot more than them and thus have more life-experience informing their views. While obvously all older people aren't going to be be magically right all the time simply because they have lived longer, at the same time, the current outright DISMISSAL of anyone over the age of, what, 30?? is incredibly concerning. I keep thinking about Logan's Run, where everyone gets killed off after they hit 30 so there are no old people. That seems like the mentality of many of these people...

[–] TheRoyalJesterf 28 points (+28|-0)

HARD AGREE with your entire comment.

Especially the part about the age 30 cutoff, because it's so accurate that the age where you lose respect has gotten younger and younger! First 50 was old, then 40, and now it's 30. And in some parts of tumblr, it's even YOUNGER. I've seen people refuse to interact with people over age 20 on there, which completely blew my mind.

Older people may not always be right but if I had to go with the opinion of a random 50 year old or a random 19 year old with a twitter account, I'm going with the 50 year old, thanks.

[–] bellatrixbells 22 points (+22|-0)

"Sometimes you're the Mongols burning down the House of Wisdom. And sometimes you're Galileo, and there's no real way to know from our very limited perspective."

This. I'm tired of the "yOu'Re oN tHe WrOnG SiDe Of HiStOry" mantra. I'm gonna go full on Godwin, but the Nazis also thought they were on the right side of history. Most people act the way they do precisely because they think they're doing what's right.

Oftentimes only time can tell.

[–] dasehe 5 points (+5|-0) Edited

Agreed. A lot of the Red Guards fully believed in what they were doing.

But I just really never found the "right side of history" argument to be appealing. The fuck do I care about what some historian long after I'm dead thinks? I'm too dead to care, and historians can reconstruct whatever narrative they please. Why do I need to bother about the thoughts of people in the distant future, much less appeal to some objective notion of history for validation?

I don't give a flying fuck about validation. All I want, in this time granted to me to live, is to make my corner of the world a slightly better place, or to help leave the world a better place for the future generation. And I cannot, one way or another, truly believe that TQ will do that.

[–] Apricot_Ibex 11 points (+11|-0)

A big thing I admire about East Asian culture in general is that most countries in that region at least still have some respect for teachers, which is tied in with Confucian thought too. In America, teachers and schools in general are constantly reviled and demonized and as Isaac Asimov said, “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

The deference thing got annoying when some of my teachers In China said something outlandishly wrong and I got in trouble for politely correcting them, and that can get really oppressive and can definitely be an issue in terms of quality education too, but good god there are so many headstrong, selfish, and proudly uninformed people in America wasting their First World privilege to wallow in willful ignorance and “you can’t tell me what to do!!” The Confucian hierarchy is stifling and deeply misogynistic, but at least they don’t hate learning and studying in East Asia.

[–] dasehe 4 points (+4|-0)

The deference thing got annoying when some of my teachers In China said something outlandishly wrong and I got in trouble for politely correcting them, and that can get really oppressive and can definitely be an issue in terms of quality education too

Agreed. I don't pretend that Confucian values or thought couldn't use reform, but I've known brilliant Confucian thinkers who were also committed feminists. I don't see the point in tossing out the good with the bad.

We definitely have a respect for teachers, and it sometimes gets in the way of things, especially at higher education levels. I'm relieved that anti-intellectualism has been held at bay for the moment, but judging from how many people here are complaining about Rowling without bothering to read on the matter directly...well...

[–] pigeonfaced 8 points (+8|-0)

Another part of the stereotype that old people are more conservative is that the healthcare system sucks in the US and the quality is largely based on wealth. So basically, rich privileged people, who are more likely to be conservative, live longer on average.

[–] Redmage 39 points (+39|-0)

They are caught up in progress for progress's sake. Sure, critically examine the ideas before you. But CRITICALLY examine them. Not just throw out all of them blindly.

[–] moody_ape 23 points (+23|-0)

people usually think that thinking critically is just criticizing those they disagree with, and that's not what it's about.

[–] chrysthefeminist 33 points (+33|-0)

"progress happens one death at a time".

That's really crass. I am from the "youth generation" of the 1960s-70s (don't trust anybody over 30) and even I never thought that.

Hope they remember that when they are old and feel good and ashamed of themselves.

[–] [Deleted] 20 points (+20|-0) Edited

I don't normally wish 'shame' on people, in the sense of being publicly shamed and called out (since that is what I hate about cancel culture and the like), but in this instance, I do hope these people one day look back at this time and their role in it with an inner sense of guilt and shame. Because even if it takes decades, one day the truth WILL out. Sadly, I do think many of them will just scurry into the shadows and then come back out claiming that they 'never supported that nonsense!' but... I can hope that at least, deep down, they will feel terrible about their role in all of this.

[–] sensusquaeram 11 points (+11|-0)

Right? I'm GenX, but I remember that quote well -- "Don't trust anyone over 30." - Jack Weinberg, 1964

Sorry, kids, this is an old, old sentiment. You'll grow out of it. 😄

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Weinberg

[–] bicycling_elephant 28 points (+29|-1)

Whenever I see young Americans saying that kind of thing, I think about all of the various studies I’ve seen that show that Millennials are in general more conservative than Gen-Xers.

[–] [Deleted] 41 points (+41|-0)

I agree with this, though I think it's also the 'Zoomers' (aka Gen Z) who need to be included in with the more conservative views. They are some of the most mean-spirited and vocal of the TRAs. Imo, this comes at least in part from the fact that so many of these young people have been steeped in porn since a young age, and this has contributed to their very skewed (aka, paradoxically quite rigid) idea of gender roles. One day people will look back and study this era, and realise that porn contributed directly to these young people feeling that they had to opt out of being a 'man' or a 'woman', and instead create all these micro-identities and micro-sexualities for themselves.

[–] sensusquaeram 20 points (+20|-0)

I often wonder if that mean-spiritedness correlates directly with lack of life experience. I have a strong suspicion that it does.

[–] Gini 29 points (+29|-0)

As a gen X myself I can confirm.

since 2000 ive seen the world go backwards in a 100 different ways and I just cant relate to all these young people and the "woke". The idea of dismissing people with a different view point is insane to me and anyone my age.

Gen X people are generally very chill and cool with everyone.

[–] [Deleted] 17 points (+17|-0)

This has been my experience, too. I'm an older Millennial myself, but my spouse is Gen X, and this rings very true to me, as well as with the many other Gen X'ers I know.

[–] TheRoyalJesterf 17 points (+17|-0)

I didn't know that, that's interesting! I wonder if any of that has to do with the trans bullshit. I think the younger millennials were the first to be hit with the trans shit hard, and still remember "the before times" lol.

[–] bicycling_elephant 14 points (+14|-0)

I think it’s all kind of inter-related. For whatever reason, a lot of Millennials believe in very traditional gender roles. That plus regular people getting freaked out by the trans insanity means Millennials are a rather conservative group.

[–] MidnightLanguor 12 points (+16|-4)

That is very interesting. I can say that the trans nonsense, BLM-Antifa rioting and violence, the woke desecration of free speech, and living in fauxgressive San Francisco have all turned me from very liberal to mildly conservative. I view the progressive left as misogynistic, anti-free speech oppressors at this point.

[–] remquarqk -2 points (+6|-8)

BLM-Antifa rioting and violence

There is no violent antifa. Please do not buy into right wing propoganda just because of a small portion of liberals.

As a Millennial I do think it’s important to point out who our parents are. Many Millennials have Boomer parents who we all know are largely conservative despite their rebellious youths. Gen X are the children of the Silent Generation who were the people actually old enough to be hippies. My Boomer parents were just kids in the 60s.

[–] HekArtemis 2 points (+3|-1)

Generations are weird and confusing, I definitely think they have way less meaning than everyone has been attaching to them, it's like horoscopes honestly. I am a Millennial, my sister is Gen X but my mum is also Gen X and my dad was a Boomer.

[–] [Deleted] 1 points (+1|-0) Edited

I'm confused by this. I thought 'Boomer' was a reference to 'Baby Boomers', who were born right after WWII, and are now quite old. But does it refer to something else? Like 'economic boomers'?

This is even more confusing for me personally since, even though I'm a millennial, one of my parents is quite a lot older than the other, so I never considered them as part of one monolithic 'generation'.

[–] Verdandi 2 points (+2|-0)

Millennials or Gen Z?

If Gen Z are the ones who are kids right now, then the stuff I’ve read was about Millennials. Not to say that Gen Z is necessarily progressive either, just haven’t seen many studies about them yet.

[–] Womancup 8 points (+8|-0)

Yeah, that type of attitude is typical for adolescents, grown ups, even young grown-ups should know better

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[–] immersang 58 points (+58|-0)

I remember Posie Parker asking "Where are the adults?" in one of her videos on this, calling out the older part of the Potter cast that had been silent while Rowling got repeatedly stabbed in the back by a group of former child actors who owe her their career.

Seems like finally one of them emerged.

[–] tervacious 20 points (+20|-0) Edited

"Where are the adults?"

Right? With so many things now, the adults-- actual adults and, quite often, even people well into middle age -- are so afraid of being seen as....adults... that they just stand by or worse try to ingratiate themselves with these bullshit, destructive ideologies and demands.

[–] [Deleted] 3 points (+3|-0)

Interesting way to put it -- that they are afraid of being seen as adults. It's like being an adult has become a dirty word. I wonder if this has to do with the 'Karen' meme, and the 'ok, Boomer'. A lot of older people seem aware of the fact that the younger generation are incredibly dismissive of them. But instead of being like 'lol, those silly kids', it's like they are trying to curry favour with the younger people. This is insane to me. I can think of lots of reasons why, but stilll.... what a hellworld.

[–] HermioneGranger 4 points (+4|-0)

One of the younger actors (Evanna Lynch who played Luna) marginally defended her (saying that no one should be sending her hateful messages) and got crucified on Twitter and deactivated her account. I’ve seen others on Twitter question why some other younger actors (Tom Felton, Matthew Lewis, etc.) haven’t spoke out yet and make various assumptions.

[–] dasehe 51 points (+51|-0) Edited

The number of people posting about how Hagrid should shut up is amazing. Even more amazing: people commenting, "FFS his name is Robbie, you do know he's not actually Hagrid, right?"

[–] [Deleted] 48 points (+48|-0)

Funny, wasn't Hagrid always one of the most staunchly loyal characters in the books...

[–] dasehe 28 points (+28|-0)

Maybe they should buy another copy of the book and re-read 😂

[–] [Deleted] 14 points (+14|-0)

Imagine naming one of your kids after SNAPE and not Hagrid.

[–] MadSea 44 points (+44|-0)

Nice to finally see some adults speaking out. Hope more will join him. It’s all gone too far.

[–] AmyHousewine 37 points (+37|-0)

They wouldn’t have won the war, would they?

LMAO. No, indeed, they would not. If words leave them literally shaking, I can't imagine how they'd cope with a real, literal threat to their existence.

[–] r4df3mcynthia 20 points (+20|-0)

I loved that he went in to defend Jo! But I'm sure genderfucks are already finding excuses to dismiss everything he says or distort it... I can see it already: "uh he was involved in money laundry because he was part of that weird goobie movie" or some bs like that

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