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[–] LadySparklz 15 points (+15|-0)

We haven't even solved inclusion at the level our public education systems purport to be delivering which is towards youth with disabilities. What about their acceptance? We are just going to skip over them and fawn over the kids that feel they are in the wrong body, the ones that feel stereotypes will save their sanity?? I'm sure a child with CP feels they are also in the wrong body but what the fuck can they do about that???

[–] Future 3 points (+3|-0)

Yes, THIS!!! I fully agree with what you said, and it also applies to wider society, there is still a long way to go to make everyday life more inclusive and accessible for the elderly and disabled.

[–] Jade [OP] 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

So, this happened. A 3 year old boy insists "totally out of the blue" that everyone needs to say he's a girl.

In not-contradictory-at-all statements, the mum says:

me having an assigned male child who didn’t have especially ‘feminine’ interests and yet was saying consistently, ‘I’m a girl.’”

in the same breath as:

A few years ago, her mum assumed she was a boy who was clumsily trying to ask for typically feminine things.

Also, it's very worthy pointing out that:

there wasn’t anything especially feminine about her dress sense; she wasn’t what people call a “girly girl”. (...) She was very into books from a really young age, and still is

So, "she's" not super girly, "she" likes brainy stuff like reading.

Also, let me guess: since parents never pushed the genderwoo into this child, the "spontaneity" of his "transness" comes from the fact that he's the eldest:

Kate was telling me about her eldest daughter, Alex

Yep. And so I'm going to go on a limb and say that the youngest is a girl, and that since she was born all the attention went to her, and claiming to be a girl himself was the coping mechanism a 3-year-old brain came up with to deal with the very common newborn sibling jealousy kids this age have, especially when parents don't know how to prepare the first born or indeed start acting like they prefer the baby.

there aren’t greater numbers of children asserting a trans identity than there were in the past. There are simply more children who feel able to talk about it openly and seek support and advocacy from their parents.

... which is totally a thing among 3 year olds, of course. Seeking support and advocacy.

To illustrate the point, the article moves on to the example of a 90 year old who came out as trans in 2017 but "always knew she was trans", because:

“I’ve known I was transgender since I was three years old. I knew a girl called Patricia and I decided I wanted to be known by that name, but it didn’t stick.”

Meeting a girl called Patricia and being so obsessed with her that you desire to be call Patricia from now on is not at all a dangerous red flag, no. It's gEnDer iDenTitY.

The article is very long, and goes on and on about a society who simply refuses to believe that "trans kids" exist, where every school and PTA is trying to bully parents who simply want to "support their children"

When 64% of trans pupils say they are bullied for being LGBTQ+ at school, almost half of those bullied never tell anyone about it,

So, do they say it or not? I'm confused about this statistic. Also, "LGBTQ+".

and 46% say they hear transphobic language “frequently” at school

I'm going to guess this language is "only girls have periods", and "it's inappropriate to show your wee-wee in the girls' dressing room", etc

[–] Riothamus scrote 14 points (+14|-0) Edited

I'm going to guess this language is "only girls have periods", and "it's inappropriate to show your wee-wee in the girls' dressing room", etc

It could be as "hateful" as that guy or even he.

These kids will be totally fucked when they reach adulthood. Zero resilience. Tissue-thin skin. Garbage reasoning skills. They're going to be the perfect victims for con artists and manipulators.

[–] Hollyhock 2 points (+2|-0)

There's truth to that. Some of the young trans people I know are quite vulnerable to manipulation by others. Now that they're adults, it's more difficult for their parents to help.

Amazing analysis. Thanks!!

Also,

“I’ve known I was transgender since I was three years old. I knew a girl called Patricia and I decided I wanted to be known by that name, but it didn’t stick.”

In fourth grade I wanted to be just like my best friend, Jane, and cut my hair just like her and learned clarinet just to be in her group in music class. Does this mean I'm a woman who identifies as a different woman?

[–] vulvapeople 8 points (+8|-0)

Of course it's shaky, since that "acceptance" requires the denial of one's own perceptions and reality itself.

[–] mycelium 1 points (+1|-0)

Silencing their opponents and threatening people to regurgitate their mantras will never be enough; good luck getting people to genuinely believe in gendervangelicalism though! They can take our voices and take our rights, still doesn't make their delusions a reality ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I will see TIMs as men till the day I die. And then some. Die mad and die male.

[–] Jem 1 points (+1|-0)

I couldn't make myself read that whole thing. When I clicked away, two possibilities occurred to me. The author is making that up entirely and the parents don't exist or they do exist but they're liars.

[–] Jade [OP] 0 points (+0|-0)

Option #3: they’re making a big deal out of the older child (as they state) being jealous of the younger one.

I'm going to go on a limb and say that the youngest is a girl, and that since she was born all the attention went to her, and claiming to be a girl himself was the coping mechanism a 3-year-old brain came up with to deal with the very common newborn sibling jealousy kids this age have, especially when parents don't know how to prepare the first born or indeed start acting like they prefer the baby. Which totally worked because now the 3yo is again the supreme center of attention.

[–] Jem 1 points (+1|-0)

Sure that's possible. But I know people with a family member who is transing their kid. My friends don't agree. The parents tell a similar origin story. They don't live in their house but they were close enough to know that a lot of what the parents are claiming is total bullshit. They're cut off now so they watch the train wreck from a distance. I used to think there was a grain of truth in these stories but I'm starting to be more and more skeptical.

[–] Jade [OP] 0 points (+0|-0) Edited

So you mean "parents wanting to trans the kid and making up stories of distressed 3 year old withering in plain sight for not being called girls when in fact the 3 year old it totally oblivious"? That's totally possible too. It just strikes me as bizarre and untrue that a 3 year old will know what "girl" means and feel like "asserting his gender and asking for his parents to advocate on his behalf", and specially that, if it's true that the boy doesn't even like feminine things to begin with (according to the parents), then the only very plausible explanation (if the story is true) is toddler jealousy. Happens all the time. In my building there's this 5 year old whom I've never seen not suckling on a friggin' PACIFIER. And the mum is always giving all the attention to the newborn twins. She "identifies as a baby" because babies get mommy's attention. And the parents, instead of saying "no, pacifiers are for little babies, you're a grown up girl now", indulge to avoid tantrums or whatever.

PS: Love your name. If it's for Jem and the Holograms, I was a fan of the cartoons haha :)