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I hope y'all like this title [and don't think its too pompous/overly broad] and please if you can give me some opinions on this essay. Edited for grammar.

I am currently re-watching the Handmaids Tale as well, so forgive me if I am getting fired up extra tonight....no tenolite te bastardes carborundorum.

It just occurred to me while arguing with another TRA abuser online (actually 2 at the same time with the same basic logical inabilities), something astoundingly clear about how misogynist the TRA view is, and it never hit me before so strongly.

In this particular instance, I had asked THE QUESTION: "what is the definition of a woman?" 5 times of one person, and the supreme gentlemen and defender of men with fetishes finally caved in a rage and merely capslocked that a woman is "MANY THINGS"

To my shock though however, they said something completely new to me right after this; they said "....but the definition of a woman is irrelevant to the discussion".

The disrespect and hubris of this particular statement really struck me.

Right then and there, I just had a vision of the reality of these men's perceptions that perfectly explained why he hated and resisted so much to define what a woman was.

I saw, in my minds eye, almost like a crayon drawing coming out of a mist and turning into a photograph, a woman in a niqab and burqa, like in the Taliban. A black, blank space. Barely an outline. No face. No personhood. A void. It was like she was calling to me; this is the same fight. We are all in the same fight together.

Then it hit me; this TRA, who was 99.99% male and might not have even been a TiM (it didn't appear so but its possible), doesn't not know what a woman is.

He hates me for asking because he HATES a woman defining that term for herself.

He hates not controlling it.

He hates its existence as anything more than a fantasy he can jerk off to and re-write to his hearts content whenever he wants. He wants to erase women. He wants us to remain a void-space, a blank canvas he can insert himself into and control any time he wants.

He doesn't have the same ultimate goal of the Taliban necessarily. But the vision I had was clear in perfectly explaining the unspoken motivations of such men. The don't think they are like the Taliban and they aren't in every way, but they have the same mentality.

The Taliban is the physical manifestation of patriarchy to its most extreme.

The Taliban erases women from physical space, making them a political non-entity, a literal visual void of identity...not heard and not seen, from which they merely insert themselves into whenever they want for whatever reasons they declare in a legalized state of total female rape and abuse and slavery.

How they are different from the west however, is they do so mostly primarily physically, in an extreme apartheid and political silencing.

They don't deny the biological reality of a woman as different from men, but they accomplish 90% of the total goal of patriarchy anyway by erasing the identity, consciousness, voice, reality, history and experience of women and subjugating it completely under the dictates of men. They make female persons a blank canvas, an object for complete male rape, butchery and slavery.

But the TRA agenda is not so different.

While most libs would gasp at this comparison because for obvious reasons most who have guzzled down the TRA agenda without thinking do NOT want to physically put women into burqas.

However, TRA agenda is the logical (as opposed to complete physical) manifestation of patriarchy to the most extreme place, where women are completely ERASED mentally, legally, and politically through propaganda, anti-science and language control.

It in fact achieves more than the Taliban ever could do, by erasing even the biological truth of being a female.

So while it may not represent an obvious physical erasure, it accomplishes the same and worse, through extreme Orwellian means, and thus, it is just as cultish if not moreso, than the Taliban. The full expression of it is the same oppressive patriarchal control however, is just currently in the dormant/fetal stages, at least at a large scale.

The TRA agenda is the philosophical and total erasure of women into a void, a blankness, an "anything and everything" that a man can insert himself into at any time for any reason, by any means. Mentally, physically, psychically.

Its the id of man to desire this it seems, the deepest, pre-verbal desire of probably at least half the male population. It merely lies dormant in most men. Some men may even be aware of it, but repress it because they do actually grow to see women as persons.

The only difference the TRA agenda has from extreme sexist cults like the Taliban, is it is insidious by design, making women think its harmless by "allowing" us to still express ourselves to a certain extent and have some certain rights.

Without a doubt though, it has all the hallmarks of a patriarchal cult, at the germ stage and not nearly codified like the Taliban is.

....But the same rape culture is underneath, the same want to silence women and make us into the clay for mens enjoyment.

The same deep down desire by a significant percentage of men is there, to so totally control the female sex, that women are not even allowed to speak, define, categorize and organize themselves.

That's why TRA abusers, particularly the men, get so so so so mad when you ask them to define what a woman is. They don't not know what a woman is, they hate that they can't erase it from history completely and make it into a void-space, a kind of gnostic mystery to be conquered endlessly by men in an endless rape fantasy, like how it physically is in Afghanistan right now.

The TRA's hate that they can't go back to the "way things were" and a woman is nothing more than an apparatus of male expression, which a male can twist and mold and define however he wants, to use to produce a lineage, or pick of a shelf like a packaged meat, cut and wrapped how he wants for temporary enjoyment, but otherwise no threat to him neither emotionally nor physically nor financially.

So when this TRA abuser male said to me that the definition of a woman is "irrelevant to the discussion" it was because it is exactly the heart of it and he hates that he can't destroy this definition completely.

He wants to make actual women irrelevant unless they serve him as a blank canvas for his ego and dick.

He hates that biological adult females exist with voices, needs, desires, dreams, wants and the ability to discriminate and label their oppression.

Why can't we just disappear and only show up when he can toy with us the TRA thinks? Impregnate us? Jerk off to us? Make us have his children? Stroke his ego?

Why can't we just shut up and go away unless we physically, visually, mentally, emotionally and economically benefit him?

We should only exist to be warped by men when men decide to mold us like clay. We aren't persons to them. We are a void-space they want the right to interfere with, penetrate, define, control and fetishize whenever they want, however they want and for any reason at all.

This is the universal patriarchy, and it is literally the exact same fight all women are fighting all over the world.

We cannot not stop naming it for what it is.

And the men hate us for it, but too bad. We're calling them out on their rape cults.

We have to. Our survival is at stake.

I hope y'all like this title [and don't think its too pompous/overly broad] and please if you can give me some opinions on this essay. Edited for grammar. *I am currently re-watching the Handmaids Tale as well, so forgive me if I am getting fired up extra tonight....no tenolite te bastardes carborundorum.* It just occurred to me while arguing with another TRA abuser online (actually 2 at the same time with the same basic logical inabilities), something astoundingly clear about how misogynist the TRA view is, and it never hit me before so strongly. In this particular instance, I had asked THE QUESTION: "what is the definition of a woman?" 5 times of one person, and the supreme gentlemen and defender of men with fetishes finally caved in a rage and merely capslocked that a woman is "MANY THINGS" To my shock though however, they said something completely new to me right after this; they said "....but the definition of a woman is **irrelevant to the discussion**". The disrespect and hubris of this particular statement really struck me. Right then and there, I just had a vision of the reality of these men's perceptions that perfectly explained why he hated and resisted so much to define what a woman was. I saw, in my minds eye, almost like a crayon drawing coming out of a mist and turning into a photograph, a woman in a niqab and burqa, like in the Taliban. A black, blank space. Barely an outline. No face. No personhood. A void. It was like she was calling to me; this is the same fight. We are all in the same fight together. Then it hit me; this TRA, who was 99.99% male and might not have even been a TiM (it didn't appear so but its possible), doesn't not know what a woman is. He hates me for asking because he HATES a woman defining that term for herself. He hates not controlling it. He hates its existence as anything more than a fantasy he can jerk off to and re-write to his hearts content whenever he wants. He wants to erase women. He wants us to remain a void-space, a blank canvas he can insert himself into and control any time he wants. He doesn't have the same ultimate goal of the Taliban necessarily. But the vision I had was clear in perfectly explaining the unspoken motivations of such men. The don't think they are like the Taliban and they aren't in every way, but they have the same mentality. **The Taliban is the physical manifestation of patriarchy to its most extreme.** The Taliban erases women from physical space, making them a political non-entity, a literal visual void of identity...not heard and not seen, from which they merely insert themselves into whenever they want for whatever reasons they declare in a legalized state of **total female rape and abuse and slavery**. How they are different from the west however, is they do so mostly primarily physically, in an extreme apartheid and political silencing. They don't deny the biological reality of a woman as different from men, but they accomplish 90% of the total goal of patriarchy anyway by erasing the identity, consciousness, voice, reality, history and experience of women and subjugating it completely under the dictates of men. They make female persons a blank canvas, an object for complete male rape, butchery and slavery. **But the TRA agenda is not so different.** While most libs would gasp at this comparison because for obvious reasons most who have guzzled down the TRA agenda without thinking do NOT want to physically put women into burqas. However, TRA agenda is the *logical* (as opposed to complete physical) manifestation of patriarchy to the most extreme place, where women are completely ERASED mentally, legally, and politically through propaganda, anti-science and language control. It in fact achieves more than the Taliban ever could do, by erasing even the biological truth of being a female. So while it may not represent an obvious physical erasure, it accomplishes the same and worse, through extreme Orwellian means, and thus, it is just as cultish if not moreso, than the Taliban. The full expression of it is the same oppressive patriarchal control however, is just currently in the dormant/fetal stages, at least at a large scale. The TRA agenda is the philosophical and total erasure of women into a void, a blankness, an "anything and everything" that a man can insert himself into at any time for any reason, by any means. Mentally, physically, psychically. Its the id of man to desire this it seems, the deepest, pre-verbal desire of probably at least half the male population. It merely lies dormant in most men. Some men may even be aware of it, but repress it because they do actually grow to see women as persons. The only difference the TRA agenda has from extreme sexist cults like the Taliban, is it is insidious by design, making women think its harmless by "allowing" us to still express ourselves to a certain extent and have some certain rights. Without a doubt though, it has all the hallmarks of a patriarchal cult, at the germ stage and not nearly codified like the Taliban is. ....But the same rape culture is underneath, the same want to silence women and make us into the clay for mens enjoyment. The same deep down desire by a significant percentage of men is there, to so totally control the female sex, that women are not even allowed to speak, define, categorize and organize themselves. That's why TRA abusers, particularly the men, get so so so so mad when you ask them to define what a woman is. They don't not know what a woman is, they hate that they can't erase it from history completely and make it into a void-space, a kind of gnostic mystery to be conquered endlessly by men in an endless rape fantasy, like how it physically is in Afghanistan right now. The TRA's hate that they can't go back to the "way things were" and a woman is nothing more than an apparatus of male expression, which a male can twist and mold and define however he wants, to use to produce a lineage, or pick of a shelf like a packaged meat, cut and wrapped how he wants for temporary enjoyment, but otherwise no threat to him neither emotionally nor physically nor financially. So when this TRA abuser male said to me that the definition of a woman is "irrelevant to the discussion" it was because it is exactly the heart of it **and he hates that he can't destroy this definition completely.** He wants to make actual women irrelevant unless they serve him as a blank canvas for his ego and dick. He hates that biological adult females exist with voices, needs, desires, dreams, wants and the ability to discriminate and label their oppression. Why can't we just disappear and only show up when he can toy with us the TRA thinks? Impregnate us? Jerk off to us? Make us have his children? Stroke his ego? Why can't we just shut up and go away unless we physically, visually, mentally, emotionally and economically benefit him? We should only exist to be warped by men when men decide to mold us like clay. We aren't persons to them. We are a void-space they want the right to interfere with, penetrate, define, control and fetishize whenever they want, however they want and for any reason at all. This is the universal patriarchy, and it is literally the exact same fight all women are fighting all over the world. We cannot not stop naming it for what it is. And the men hate us for it, but too bad. We're calling them out on their rape cults. We have to. Our survival is at stake.

19 comments

[–] NoThankYou 23 points (+23|-0)

The same deep down desire by a significant percentage of men is there, to so totally control the female sex, that women are not even allowed to speak, define, categorize and organize themselves.

This is so true! So many of them hate it when women challenge them, speak up, draw a line in the sand and say no.

It perturbs me how I can be speaking calmly and rationally about our rights, and men will respond with rage, condescension, sneering. And then they'll think of themselves as the rational, unemotional, sensible ones, it's absurd.

Thank you for posting this.

[–] furyosa terf immortal 16 points (+16|-0)

This writing is 🔥

Our humanity is certainly an inconvenience to them.

[–] emissch 13 points (+13|-0)

So they're trying to remove biology from the equation of what a man and woman is, and they're slamming up against the unforgiving brick wall of reality. You can't remove biology from the equation. Without biology, all you have left is what culture dictates a woman to be which is essentially a hundred different stereotypes and expectations. We almost don't even have to fight to exist because biology does it for us. Everyone knows what it means to be a woman, including them. They are fighting a losing battle with reality and it's almost funny to watch them try.

[–] Ghostfem 12 points (+13|-1)

Maybe we should start asking them what a man is, and why they think they're men. I don't think it'll make them understand the absurdity, I think males are extremely attached to gender because it puts them at the top of the hierarchy so gender roles as a definition is to be expected. I am just genuinely interested in getting them to show their twisted logic in contexts they are slightly less clueless about.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe [OP] 11 points (+11|-0)

You can try?

"Whats the definition of a woman or a man that isn't 1) circular and 2) a sexist stereotype?" And you'll probably get the same ass clenching/tantrums as I do.

I wonder if they'll say "a man is a not-woman, and a woman is a not-man" which again, is just empty and circular.

[–] Ghostfem 14 points (+14|-0)

But I'd rather a man mansplain to me a ridiculous definition of a man than a ridiculous definition of a woman. There's less insult in that.

I prefer to force them to say it or stay silent. The insult is there in their entire ideology, hiding it from me doesn't make it hurt less, rather prolongs to me, them not being fully exposed. I like to watch them squirm and sputter and rant trying to avoid being sexist against women. That's where the deprogramming plants a seed, imho.

[–] no- 11 points (+11|-0)

He hates me for asking because he HATES a woman defining that term for herself.

He hates not controlling it.

He hates its existence as anything more than a fantasy he can jerk off to and re-write to his hearts content whenever he wants. He wants to erase women. He wants us to remain a void-space, a blank canvas he can insert himself into and control any time he wants.

I remember reading an AGP's reddit comment or tumblr post someone shared here, in which he said he thought he was a woman because he found it easier to imagine himself as the woman in porn, because the female body in porn looks vulnerable and more approachable than the male one, or something along those lines. It's always porn and seeing women as blank canvases men can mentally inhabit. Trans ideology is peak misogyny for that reason, it feeds into the male conception of women as empty avatars or supporting characters in their lives. So defying trans ideology is hateful because, to men, the knowledge that women will want to free ourselves from their control and how they define us is terrifying. I wonder if they see the idea of women's liberation as similar to a robot uprising in science fiction, that visceral anxiety that something that is supposed to serve them and have no mind of its own will take over and get its long overdue revenge.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe [OP] 9 points (+9|-0) Edited

So defying trans ideology is hateful because, to men, the knowledge that women will want to free ourselves from their control and how they define us is terrifying. I wonder if they see the idea of women's liberation as similar to a robot uprising in science fiction, that visceral anxiety that something that is supposed to serve them and have no mind of its own will take over and get its long overdue revenge.

Wow yes, this! Nail on head. I never really connected it to the other side of desire, which is fear. Thank you!

This is also why the preservations and pride of nation-states and cultures have always been put above the welfare and rights of women and girls.

[–] jvsmine 6 points (+6|-0)

of course they fear thaf. what's the first thing wokebros say? "feminism is for everyone" because they can't stand the fact that yes, most of us would like to see a world where more women are in power than men. they will ALLOW a close to equal amount of women in power but wokebros will immediately say "this is why men don't respect feminism" when we say it's JUST for us. they literally can't fucking respect something that isn't all about men men men men men.

[–] girl_undone 5 points (+5|-0)

I wonder if they see the idea of women's liberation as similar to a robot uprising in science fiction, that visceral anxiety that something that is supposed to serve them and have no mind of its own will take over and get its long overdue revenge.

Good point. The plot of Westworld is basically a combination - female robots that were also sexually abused rising up against men. It's a bit of a female power fantasy IMO because they have the ability to almost single-handedly rise up and fight the world.

[–] no- 4 points (+4|-0)

I haven't seen that show, is it good? Now I want to watch it.

[–] girl_undone 6 points (+6|-0) Edited

It's not pretty. Lots of scenes of rape as well as brutal murder. The robots are tortured and they show that to establish it all. Later on they establish non-robots being exploited as well. There is a lot of nudity but not in a Game of Thrones way.

Getting through the third season, it is one of the best stories of our time. (They're making a fourth season but I wish they would just leave it where it was, I hope they don't ruin it.)

Some women hate it for all the torture, but I think it's a great story about a realistic dystopian future and the unfortunately all-too-real depravity of men. It shows how depraved they are with their technological pursuits, seeking not just to invent realistic robots that they can control, rape, or kill without consequence to themselves but also seeking to elude mortality and seeking to control other humans . It's clearly critical of men, it doesn't pretend women are as bad as men (it doesn't pretend women are perfect either), it does not justify or condone the horrible things men do - consequences come for them. It's been accused of being misandrist. A lot of horrible men related to a horrible male character and didn't like what happened to him. I think the quality of the show as art extends to seeing the reactions of those men who related with that character. It's critical of people and it holds up a damning mirror, but seeing men identify with the horrible characters shows that it's not a distorted mirror.

[–] girl_undone 8 points (+9|-1) Edited

Love seeing your thoughts as a long post, PGTips. Total second-wave vibes with this and it's great. Reminds me of reading clips from different OG radical feminists.

Thank you, that's very kind of you. <3 None of this realization would have come without this community either. You all feel like the sisterhood I never had. <3

I hope you have a great day!

[–] girl_undone 7 points (+7|-0)

Hearing that means so much to me, thank you. I hope you have a great day too.

[–] memorandibles 8 points (+8|-0)

"The TRA agenda is the philosophical and total erasure of women into a void, a blankness, an "anything and everything" that a man can insert himself into at any time for any reason, by any means. Mentally, physically, psychically."

Nothing to say about this quote except I LOVE it and am saving it.