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"Participate in male sexual fetish or else. Women are not entitled to boundaries. The lunatics are running the asylum."

That's all I get here.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 21 points (+21|-0)

A quarter of trans people have experienced homelessness at some point in their lives; one in eight trans employees have been physically attacked by colleagues or customers in the last year; 40% of trans people, and over half of all non-binary people, adjust how they dress to avoid discrimination or harassment

Receipts or it didn't happen.

[–] Hollyhock 36 points (+36|-0)

I've got receipts that 100 percent of women people adjust how they dress to avoid discrimination or harassment.

[–] ProxyMusic 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

one in eight trans employees have been physically attacked by colleagues or customers in the last year;

The population of the UK currently is 68 million. If one percent is trans, that's 680,000. But to err on the side of caution, let's go with a lower number - 500,000, which is a figure I've seen cited.

If one in eight of 500,000 people have been physically attacked by coworkers or customers in the last year, that would be 62,500 assaults in a single year. More than 171 per day - 7 days a week the entire year.

Where are the newspaper stories? The arrests and prosecutions? The employment tribunals? The lawsuits? The protests and vigils? Why are The Guardian and Pink News not covering this epidemic of violence? Why isn't Stonewall raising a hue and cry?

FFS, doesn't anyone who "identifies as" a journalist like Ash Sakar these days know how to do arithmetic? Or to express skepticism? Or smell bullshit?

[–] greenbeans 14 points (+14|-0)

I think we can assume 'attacked means here 'disagreed with' or 'looked at me funny.'

[–] DietCokeAddict 19 points (+19|-0) Edited

Ok sorry gyns but this is a LONG RANT

trans rights  – access to healthcare, access to public space, protection from discrimination

None of those are in dispute. Women don’t want males in vulnerable female-only spaces, that’s all.

I airily waved away a petition in support of providing more gender neutral toilets on campus, unable to even imagine that between me and the guys whose aim rapidly deteriorates after the second pint was the right of trans and non-binary people to go to the loo without fearing harassment or worse.

Except trans people, like all people, have every right to use the facilities for their sex. Men harassing gender-nonconforming men is awful, but the solution isn’t to eradicate female-only areas.

We didn’t go to football pubs … There was an invisible map of trans-friendly infrastructure, and a sense of where might not be safe to go

Huh, wonder what that’s like? /s

A quarter of trans people have experienced homelessness at some point in their lives; one in eight trans employees have been physically attacked by colleagues or customers in the last year; 40% of trans people, and over half of all non-binary people, adjust how they dress to avoid discrimination

Citation needed. None of those figures is backed up at all, except the homelessness one which has a link to a cover photo of a Stonewall leaflet. Not the leaflet itself or any text, just a cover photo.

But from domestic violence to workplace rights, there isn’t an area of social or economic justice, which doesn’t also touch on the lives of transgender people.

Wow so trans people are people. Stop the presses!

In the past 12 months, 16% of transgender women have experienced domestic abuse by a partner

Awful if true (again, no source). Is domestic abuse unique to trans women? Is this a higher percentage than other groups? What is the rate for women? Or men? Or trans men? Why are trans women being singled out here?

addressing trans and non-binary people by their preferred names and pronouns is at best progressive posturing, and at worst a grotesque infringement on freedom of speech.

Sounds about right. Surely the author will have a compelling argument that proves it isn’t!

This position, frankly, is as weak as Laurence Fox’s singing voice.

Oh. Never mind.

the right to free expression does not override the rights of trans and non-binary people to live free of harassment or discrimination.

People shouldn’t be harassed or discriminated against, agreed.

deliberate deadnaming and misgendering (i.e. calling someone their pre-transition name, or referring to them by anything other than the gender they identify as) is a way of asserting your control over someone.

Actually, the person choosing how to be referred to is asserting THEIR control over me, and how I speak and what I say. If I use correct-sex pronouns, I am just using language correctly - no control there.

It’s saying that ‘I have more power to determine who you are than you do; I can curtail your freedom to live authentically at any time.

What? How could the words someone else calls me EVER impact my own freedom to live authentically?

But there are also those who exclude transgender people – in particular, transgender women – in the name of feminism.

Ooh here we go!

There are a variety of purported justifications for this, from the idea that transgender women pose a threat to cisgender women in spaces like public bathrooms or changing rooms

In other words, the idea that male people pose a threat to female people in vulnerable spaces. Where could this idea have come from? Maybe all of human history worldwide?

At the heart of the so-called ‘gender critical’ perspective is an insistence that the rights of cisgender women and the rights of transgender people are irreconcilable

“Rights of cisgender women” = female people’s right to exclude males sometimes “Rights of transgender people” = male people’s right to never be excluded. Damn right they’re irreconcilable.

that somehow, the right of my friend to live as who she is takes something away from my safety and selfhood

“My male friend is different and should totally be allowed in women’s spaces!” Yeah well, my husband/brother/father is no threat to women either, but he’s not coming into women’s locker rooms ever because OTHER WOMEN DON’T KNOW THAT AND THEY HAVE RIGHTS TOO.

But the handful of trans people who have posed a threat to others is far outweighed by those who have been victims

Citation needed again, my data says trans women are more likely to be murderers than victims. Prove me wrong.

The overrepresentation of unsympathetic or even bigoted voices in the media means that we’re denied a realistic view of issues facing trans and non-binary people

True, but not in the direction you’re implying.

(as Shon Faye notes The Times and The Sunday Times wrote nearly 300 articles about trans people in 2020 alone, almost all of them from a hostile perspective).

That’s one paper - almost every single other media are trans-positive. Cherry-picking much?

But despite the prevailing narrative in trans-hostile media, more women than men are likely to accept a trans person’s chosen gender,

What trans-hostile media? That aside - you’ve discovered women are generally “nicer” and less confrontational than men, so stop the presses again!

and it’s men who are more likely to believe that allowing transgender women to use female facilities would put women at harm.

Men know what a threat men are to women. Hope those presses hadn’t started again but if so stop them!

The fact is that trans people and cisgender women have more in common when it comes to vulnerability to patriarchal violence than they have opposing interests

“Vulnerability to patriarchal violence” what like r*pe? So the whole Karen White fiasco never happened then? Since that was “cisgender” women being victimised by patriarchal violence from a trans person.

and most women recognise this

Citation. Needed.

End of rant.

[–] CornflakeGrrrl 8 points (+8|-0)

Brilliant

Also:

We didn’t go to football pubs … There was an invisible map of trans-friendly infrastructure, and a sense of where might not be safe to go

Tell me more about these "invisible maps" that you are receiving messages from which direct you where to go....

Thank you, brilliant. I thought this piece was such hopelessly self-deluded twaddle I felt demoralized when I read it, and I am so happy to see someone take it apart so thoroughly.

[–] notyourfetish 3 points (+3|-0)

hopelessly self-deluded twaddle

This is what I think EVERYTIME I see something about genderism. Every single time. It's like . . . do these people realize how crazy they sound?

[–] asmahan 5 points (+5|-0)

Are the 16% DV victims men whose wives got mad when it came out they'd been stealing her underwear to jack off to?

[–] hmimperialtortie 14 points (+14|-0)

Oh yeah, “Dana” Rivers and “Karen” White and Yaniv and all the TIMs in prison are no threat.

Like a lot of people, getting my head around trans rights [...] wasn’t necessarily instinctive. At university, fuelled by an undergrad’s sense of righteous certainty when it came to race, class and a clumsy kind of feminism (‘being a girl is kind of hard, but also awesome and powerful???’) transphobia was almost invisible to me.

By graduation she had learned to put trans rights on a pedestal, meaning her university did its job of getting her to uphold patriarchy, if only in a roundabout way. (Liberal/bourgeois feminism is "clumsy" on purpose.)

It’s become fashionable amongst both the opportunist right and the reactionary left to frame trans issues as oppositional to ‘real issues’ faced by ‘real working class people’.

Then she probably wonders why a type of "socialism" that focuses on protecting transvestic fetishists from discrimination isn't popular. Better to keep the current system going until the working class can be cleansed of transphobia, right?

It was implicit rather than anything that had to be said out loud, but we found ourselves meeting mostly where there were gender neutral toilets. We didn’t go to football pubs. Trans people aren’t teachable moments for clueless cisgender heterosexuals, but through the quotidian stuff of being mates, I started to understand a little of how institutional exclusion and the fear of transphobic violence shaped my friend’s life. There was an invisible map of trans-friendly infrastructure, and a sense of where might not be safe to go – and these considerations regulated where she could go.

Football pubs practice institutional exclusion now. 🤣🤣🤣

That's one way for the next generation of elites to learn how to steer clear of the unwashed masses.

[–] IronicWolf 4 points (+4|-0)

‘hideously bourgeois’

Ash Sarker has always been a fool but to think she’s not middle class herself is very delusional of her. She, like the rest of the Novara mob, are a bunch of middle class overgrown students who think they have the right to talk for the working classes while the closest they’ve ever been to a working class person is being with twelve feet of the office cleaner.

[–] Luci_of_Five 3 points (+3|-0)

These people have “battered TRA syndrome” and “biological guilt syndrome”.