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Its worth a read.

https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-created-he-them-transexual.html

This quote in particular,

"Still, why should anyone (especially feminist women) object to men wanting to become women? Isn't imitation the highest form of flattery?

Precisely herein lies the “liberal” sexologists’ betrayal of human dignity and integrity: They support the (male) transsexual's claim that he wants to be a woman — when, in fact, what he wants is to be a caricature of the male definition of “femininity.” "

Its worth a read. https://www.nytimes.com/1979/06/10/archives/male-and-female-created-he-them-transexual.html This quote in particular, "Still, why should anyone (especially feminist women) object to men wanting to become women? Isn't imitation the highest form of flattery? Precisely herein lies the “liberal” sexologists’ betrayal of human dignity and integrity: They support the (male) transsexual's claim that he wants to be a woman — when, in fact, what he wants is to be a caricature of the male definition of “femininity.” "

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[–] IrishTheFrenchie 92 points (+92|-0)

IN the old days, when I was a medical student, if a man wanted to have his penis amputated, my psychology professors said that he suffered from schizophrenia, locked him up in an asylum and threw away the key. Now that I am a professor. my colleagues in psychiatry say that he is a “transsexual,” my colleagues in urology refashion his penis into a perineal cavity they call a vagina, and Time magazine puts him on its cover and calls him “her.” Anyone who doubts that this is progress is considered to be ignorant of the discoveries of modern psychiatric sexology, and a political reactionary, a sexual bigot, or something equally unflattering.

HOLY SHIT.

This guy saw right into the future.

[–] emptiedriver 34 points (+34|-0)

this guy saw right into the present, though - it was already happening in the 70s, when they said "transsexual" and when a person needed to have a medical transition in order to have their pronouns switched. That's when Renee Richards caused uproar over whether someone might be a "stealth" participant in sports competitions (because apparently before that the medical tests wouldn't have revealed sex, and Renee Richards just had a murky past...) and when Janice Raymond wrote the Transsexual Empire... We just never worked it out, and now have allowed things to get much worse.

I'm not saying it's impossible there can't be a tipping point, but sometimes it seems a little meek when you remember how long the argument's been around. We can't just rely on people waking up on their own... keep talking

[–] yikesforever 23 points (+23|-0) Edited

But he's not forecasting the future is he? He seems to be talking like these things actually happened at the time he wrote this, and history is just repeating itself

[–] OurLady 10 points (+10|-0) Edited

Fucking hell, this is so savagely true. I work in a STEM industry and it's SO frustrating to see late transitioning TIMs wearing loli shit in their professional pictures while claiming awards for being "women" in [my] industry. Instead of getting help for their delusions they are given headpats and accolades that were intended for females who fought against the odds to achieve their positions. Anyone who disagrees is a bigot, and told to shut up and admit that men were always, obviously, better at being women than us dull females.

[–] MiMi2013 33 points (+34|-1)

I distinctly remember a minor author of the time (1975-1979) who published an editorial saying that "sex-change operations" eliminated any need for feminism , as any woman who didn't like being a woman and her sex-role could simply 'become a man' ; I can't remember which magazine published this, but I swear the author's first or last name was Tiger, which is such an odd detail that I've remembered it all these decades . The only person I can think of who fits that bill is Lionel Tiger, and I seriously doubt it was him, so...I don't know.

[–] bellatrixbells 30 points (+30|-0)

“I don't change men into women. I transform male genitals into genitals that have a female aspect. All the rest is in the patient's mind ".

Ooh, I love this quote, and what follows. Great.

[–] IronicWolf 29 points (+29|-0)

‘Ostensibly, the “transsexers” (from psychologists to urologists) are curing a disease; actually, they engage in the religious and political shaping and controling of “masculine” and “feminine” behavior.’

Not even supposed to be considered a disease at this point. Just requires a scale of medical intervention only matched by those with severe and enduring illnesses.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 18 points (+18|-0)

Now now. We know getting their top surgery should be the MOST IMPORTANT THING EVER, even surpassing the needs of cancer patients.

😐

[–] J-Halleck 21 points (+22|-1)

I remember reading an interview with Christine Jorgenson that annoyed the hell out of me, even as a teenager. "She" seemed entranced by every male stereotype about women.

An old college boyfriend of mine was an early TERF. We'd gone to see Tootsie, with Dustin Hoffman, and at dinner afterwards, he told me it had made him uncomfortable. Hadn't I noticed it seemed to be saying that a man was better at being a woman than the women characters were? At the time I laughed it off, but now he seems pretty prescient. Later, in the '80s, when we lived together in San Francisco, he complained that a local free clinic seemed to be defining every male who went into counseling who admitted to crying as a trans woman. He knew, I believe, two guys who had bought that bill of goods, then realized it was all a horrible mistake. At least one of them had transitioned surgically.

Wish that old boyfriend was still alive. Would love to hear his thoughts today.

[–] hellamomzilla 5 points (+5|-0)

I hadn't seen Tootsie when it came out. I watched it sometime last year and I was kind of horrified at how it THOUGHT it was being very feminist but it was actually SEXIST AS FUCK. There are things which are still funny, but freaking screwball comedies from THE THIRTIES are more progressive and present actual women as far more interesting and fully human.

[–] J-Halleck 1 points (+1|-0)

Exactly! I help curate movie screenings at the library where I work, and we once showed an old comedy with Edgar G. Robinson, THE WHOLE TOWN'S TALKING. One of our 20-something attendees was astounded at the female love interest being more funny, human and street-wise than many women in movies today.

[–] [Deleted] 20 points (+20|-0)

They support the (male) transsexual's claim that he wants to be a woman — when, in fact, what he wants is to be a caricature of the male definition of “femininity.

A thousand times this

[–] YarHarFiddleDeeDee 15 points (+15|-0)

Holy shit. This article should be required reading. Every single issue that exists with the trans movement today is predicted and broken down perfectly. Every single paragraph is a mic drop.

Reading this article you might get the sense that the author, Thomas Szasz, was a pretty unconventional and polarizing figure, and you'd be right.

[–] Nediljka_Orwell 15 points (+15|-0)

The author was an interesting psychiatrist too. He wrote a book called "The Myth of Mental Illness".

https://sociology.lightningpath.org/thomas-szasz-and-the-myth-of-mental-illness/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz

I think that he was onto something there. He was rather prophetic, really. Mental illness has become "disease-ified" with the slow but steady creep of treating mental illness from a medical instead of a spiritual or emotional approach. I remember when Prozac hit the scene. Behavioral healthcare changed almost overnight. And a few decades later, damn near everyone is on some sort of psych drug now. (And good luck getting your insurance to cover lengthy and expensive talk therapy.) Cross sex hormones and gender reassignment surgery are simply the next phase of treating mentally distressed people as "patients" instead of human beings...

[–] Kevina 7 points (+7|-0)

It's almost a challenge these days to stay off of medications.

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