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They’ll get this (archived link for anyone interested):

Would honestly suggest going for the blockers... the risks are more minimal than many headlines would have you believe... Regardless of the risk of and adverse effects, nothing could be more damaging to your daughter than going through the wrong puperty... it is a multiplier for depression and dysphoria... it is a mental hell nobody should have to endure... Even if it was a 100% chance to cut their life expectancy in half, I would still say, with confidence, get the blockers...

The kid in question is a 12 year old boy. The mother of this boy also asked for advice on another subreddit. They’ve just had their first visit at a gender clinic and both parents are worried because things are getting real. I recommend reading this one. The talk about the doctor’s biggest concern being “fertility protection” really shines a light on how young some of the kids being transed are.

One parent’s response to OP:

My son started blockers when he was 10 and before he ever had a period so he will definitely be infertile. Before we started I explained to him that he would never be able to use his genetic material to have a child. I also explained all the different ways there were to have a baby and choosing one of them would not make the child any less his. He’s been on them for over a year now and everything is going well.”

Does the little girl also know what testosterone will do to her body if she “decides” to go on cross-sex hormones? Does she know why she’ll be infertile? Does the girl know about the many surgeries that may follow this decision? They’re talking about HRT for kids as young as 13, how can children that young even give consent to this? Where are the studies of the long-term effects cross-sex hormones have on children? Are the parents really okay with letting their kids be experiments?

The OP writes this in response to another comment:

We will ultimately let her make this decision. I am just so afraid of making a bad decision and having her blame us in the future for not stopping her.

She seems to know that this decision is way too big to be made by a child, but she and her husband is still leaving it up to him. The kid is 12 years old, and this clinic starts HRT on kids as young as 13-14. That doesn’t give him a lot of time to change his mind, or to mature enough to be able to fully understand the consequences of going forward with medical treatment.

They’ll get this ([archived link](https://archive.vn/MJhA9/again?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/comments/q4v8v8/looking_for_advice/) for anyone interested): > Would honestly suggest going for the blockers... the risks are more minimal than many headlines would have you believe... Regardless of the risk of and adverse effects, **nothing could be more damaging to your daughter than going through the wrong puperty...** it is a multiplier for depression and dysphoria... it is a mental hell nobody should have to endure... **Even if it was a 100% chance to cut their life expectancy in half, I would still say, with confidence, get the blockers...** The kid in question is a 12 year old boy. The mother of this boy [also asked for advice on another subreddit](https://archive.ph/x9b58). They’ve just had their first visit at a gender clinic and both parents are worried because things are getting real. I recommend reading this one. The talk about the doctor’s biggest concern being “fertility protection” really shines a light on how young some of the kids being transed are. One parent’s response to OP: > **My son started blockers when he was 10** and before he ever had a period so **he will definitely be infertile**. Before we started **I explained to him** that he would never be able to use his genetic material to have a child. I also explained all the different ways there were to have a baby and choosing one of them would not make the child any less his. He’s been on them for over a year now and everything is going well.” Does the little girl also know what testosterone will do to her body if she “decides” to go on cross-sex hormones? Does she know *why* she’ll be infertile? Does the girl know about the many surgeries that may follow this decision? They’re talking about HRT for kids as young as 13, how can children that young even give consent to this? Where are the studies of the long-term effects cross-sex hormones have on children? Are the parents really okay with letting their kids be experiments? The OP writes this in response to another comment: > **We will ultimately let her make this decision**. I am just so afraid of making a bad decision and having her blame us in the future for not stopping her. She seems to know that this decision is way too big to be made by a child, but she and her husband is still leaving it up to him. The kid is 12 years old, and this clinic starts HRT on kids as young as 13-14. That doesn’t give him a lot of time to change his mind, or to mature enough to be able to fully understand the consequences of going forward with medical treatment.

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Honestly, parenting has become an exercise in doing whatever tf your children might say on a whim.

cut their life expectancy in half is acceptable? what kind of evil parent would say such a thing??

My daughter keeps saying that I'm obsessed with this - but you read this mess and just want to throw things at the computer. WHERE ARE THE LAWSUITS. OMG. I need coffee...........

[–] Boudicaea 19 points Edited

There aren't lawsuits because this is the standard of care. When everyone in medicine is giving lobotomies, there's no recourse when they lobotomize you. Same thing is happening here.

You really have to pay attention to what docs prescribe and recommend and do your own research. It's absurd, as you are supposed to be able to trust they are doing the right thing based on their training and science, but sometimes the training is bad and the science is a house built on sand.

We really need more tort reform. We need it to undo the Reagan style reforms that have stopped people from getting redress when they are harmed, and we need to go further to hold doctors and clinics accountable in these situations.

[–] riverwilds 10 points Edited

When China had a scandal involving baby formula being bulked up with melamine (an ingredient used to MAKE FURNITURE that can mimic the appearance of protein when the baby formula undergoes quality control assessments) they ended up sentencing two company executives to death over it. And the sentences were carried out.

I'm totally anti-death penalty but it just boggles my mind. Over here we can have the opioid scandal and nothing happens to ANYONE and then launch right into a new scandal and no one will be punished for that either. Just fines, a slap on the wrist.

And I know it's a slap on the wrist because THE MANUFACTURER OF LUPRON WAS ALREADY SLAPPED WITH THE LARGEST FINE EVER GIVEN TO A PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY AT THE TIME: https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/04/business/2-drug-makers-to-pay-875-million-to-settle-fraud-case.html

But instead of stopping they decided "okay well I guess I'll stop trying to fraudulently market this to elderly men with prostate cancer and instead market this to preteen girls and boys!"

Lupron's manufacturer would be in huge trouble if it is in fact being marketed off label. That's a whole different ball of wax and a big no-no for pharma companies.

This is just crazy. I see what you’re saying, but not many of us have the time or even the brains to get medical degrees. How is some dope off the street such as myself supposed to tell which “do your own research” is actually safer than the medical community, and which is insane conspiracy theorizing? We need to be able to trust professionals!

America is so broken in so many ways that I truly do not know if it's all fixable. It may need to let it kind of crumble and rebuild it anew.

This is actually fixable with decent legislation, but good luck with how polarized we are now. Which I guess proves your point. Ugh.

I thought WPATH has outlined standards of care but there is no requirement that they be followed?

[–] Boudicaea 2 points Edited

The standard of care is whatever the medical establishment thinks is reasonable. So whatever a reasonably prudent doctor would do is the standard of care. You can use things like WPATH to prove what the standard of care is, but it's something that gets proved one way or the other based on numerous things like witness testimony, experts, and guidance docs like that.

I think it would be hard to prove that the standard of care is not affirmation at this point. Of course you can try, but it's going to be an uphill battle, and these are VERY expensive suits. Tort lawyers are less risk averse than most, but they are still going to be hesitant to take a case like this with that issue hanging out there. Even The American Academy of Pediatrics is for affirmation these days. Very difficult to show negligence when these groups are saying to affirm.

Edit to add: I don't want to dissuade anyone from exploring their options though. If any detransitioners are reading this and feeling deflated, PLEASE talk to a lawyer. You may find one who is willing to take the risk. Ultimately I think it won't change until there is some pushback somewhere, and I could certainly be wrong that these suits will be hard.

That response was from a TIM, not a parent. Still, this is the kind of thing parents are told when they ask for advice. The other thread has responses from parents of trans-identified kids.

WHERE ARE THE LAWSUITS. OMG. I need coffee...........

I'm sure they're coming. Sadly, its only a matter of time before all these Mengele experiments take their toll on these young transitioners' bodies.

"My son started blockers when he was 10 and before he ever had a period so he will definitely be infertile. Before we started I explained to him that he would never be able to use his genetic material to have a child."

There is exactly zero chance that a 10-year-old can grasp the gravity of what that means. ZERO.

I don't want children and have literally never wanted them. When I was 24 I asked my gyno to tie my tubes. She wouldn't do it-- too wary that I might change my mind. If the medical community is too wary to sterilize someone close to their mid 20s -ostensibly old enough to fully grasp the implications of doing so- why are they falling all over themselves to let children make those decisions???

I don't want children and have literally never wanted them. When I was 24 I asked my gyno to tie my tubes. If the medical community is too wary to sterilize someone close to their mid 20s -ostensibly old enough to fully grasp the implications of doing so- why are they falling all over themselves to let children make those decisions???

This is something I’ve thought about too. I’ve even heard of women having to prove to the doctor that they have permission from their husbands before being allowed the procedure.

I asked in my early 30s. "Oh maybe when you're 40", apparently I'm less mature than any transgender child in their early teens.

I had the same problem. I wanted my tubes tied at 25 and I wasn't married or had any kids. I went to several places and was turned down. I finally went to planned parenthood and they did it no questions asked. that was in 1975. I have never regretted that decision although I was warned that I would regret it. It breaks my heart that they have been taken over by the lunatic brigade.

Excellent question.

And again, this is why I keep feeling like there's something way more sinister and insidious at work here.

Sounds like eugenics for people with autism.

There is something in this. Just look at the percentage of ‘trans’ kids with autism. This sounds horrible but there is a part of me that is thankful my autistic son is basically too intellectually disabled to understand this trans nonsense. At least he will always be safe and happy and unable to hurt himself or others.

There is exactly zero chance that a 10-year-old can grasp the gravity of what that means. ZERO.

Exactly, goddamn!!

The kid is being brainwashed in the same way raped girls are told that "this incoming baby is a gift from God and you must keep it".

You KNOW who is making the decision. There is zero chance that the kid knows what the choice implies and what her future responsibilities will be.

If the medical community is too wary to sterilize someone close to their mid 20s -ostensibly old enough to fully grasp the implications of doing so- why are they falling all over themselves to let children make those decisions???

Because sterilizing a 25 year old won't result in her being dependent on dozens more expensive cosmetic surgeries and drugs

This kid has Type 1 diabetes. What the hell is this parent even thinking, introducing EVEN MORE endocrine chaos into this child's body?

Has anyone sent this person a message telling them to get their kid off the internet and away from these groomers?

I can't figure out how to do it. (I'm such a loser, lol)

Haha :) You’d only need a Reddit account (and willingness to engage with them).

Terrible parenting.

  1. Not doing absolutely any research about the dangers of trans grooming on the internet

  2. Not having the common sense or the spine to establish a decision on their own so they seek out clinically insane non-professionals trapped in an echo chamber to decide for them

  3. Allowing a literal child who can’t even drink, smoke, or drive by law because they’re immature and don’t have fully developed brains to make a life altering decision

  4. Only letting the child choose to avoid guilt later on

Part of the job of being the parent is to do your own research, ask a variety of professionals and other parents for their opinions on issues, and telling your kid no. Too many parents act like saying no or telling their kid that biology is the end-all-be-all of “gender” will turn them into goddamn Stalin. Either these folks need to wise up and get a grip or CPS needs to be called.

People want children but not the responsibilities of having them.

[–] MenHaveItEasy Moid Respecter 1 points

Allowing a literal child who can’t even drink, smoke, or drive by law because they’re immature and don’t have fully developed brains to make a life altering decision

I hate this "informed consent" bullshit they pull on kids.

"I sat my 10 year old down. Spoke to them like an adult. Was very blunt and honest about any consequences or regret. I made sure they were absolutely sure they wanted to do this life altering decision at age 10."

Its fucking predatory.

[–] La 1 points

The parents are listening to the doctors. Which is what we are all told we are supposed to do. CPS is more likely to show up for refusal to trans your kids.

The fault is with the medical establishment and society

[–] UberBitchcraft 18 points Edited

This woman is terrified for her child and so poorly informed by medical professionals of the real dangers her son could face if she was to allow him to go on puberty blockers and wrong sex hormones that she’s taking advice from the mentally unhinged on Reddit of all places.

This is a bunch of bullshit. She should be able to get a real, honest idea of what can and will happen to her son from a professional. How can so many people in the medical field advocate for using children as experiments?

While I’m not surprised that a man would tell a mother that she should be okay with her child having a severely shortened life expectancy, I continue to be shocked that no doctor is being honest with these parents and their children.

Whatever happened to “do no harm”?

All of this. She’s trusting the doctors to do what’s best for her child. I don’t blame her for wanting to hear from other parents of trans-identified kids, even on Reddit. And dissenting opinions on trans issues can be really hard to find. Everyone’s being silenced, not just on the internet, but in real life too.

Why the hell do people even seek advice on Reddit, anyway??? Do these people not have communities and friends and family they can talk to in RL that they'd choose to listen to random strangers on the internet instead??

[–] Eava 19 points

I think people are afraid to talk about this with friends or family until it is a done deal.

That, and wanting to connect with people who are in a similar situation. To hear from them that she’s doing what’s best for her child.

A lot of people don't. My parents haven't had a friend or community engagement ever. Some brief ones here and there, but nothing that lasts.

I do understand that, as someone who is quite isolated in RL myself. But I still cannot imagine taking the word of complete strangers on a site like Reddit, of all places...

[–] proudcatlady 2 points Edited

Same here. I used to seek a lot of advice on reddit before I realized how disgusting of a place it is. Sometimes I try seeking advice here now. I have people in my life I love, but only one I trust, so I try to crowdsource as many answers as possible to see if I can get a handle on my options.

Because they're losers, basically? They'll also go there to jerk off with strangers and look for hook ups.

Even if it was a 100% chance to cut their life expectancy in half, I would still say, with confidence, get the blockers...

This person is batshit. Normal, sane parents do everything in their power to protect their lives and ensure that those lives are long, healthy, and happy.

This is so much like the child sacrifice practices of the ancient dead religions of old . . . didn't end well for those past civilizations, either.

I've kind of thought that way too! Or like giving a child to be a castrato for a church choir.

A former classmate of mine has recently put her 11yo son on puberty blockers, so it's been on my mind a lot.

even if it was a 100% chance to cut their life expectancy in half, I would still say, with confidence, get the blockers...

Yeah, whoever wrote that is definitely under 30, probably under 20.

Checks comment history

Well he’s not a teenager. He mentions not having watched a particular show for close to 20 years.

Predator, then. Who cares if the prey (children) die young? Once they’re past any sexual interest to the paedophiles they’re no use.

When did kids get to start steering the ship? I have an idea, get Susie off the internet. Tell her in no uncertain terms that she is NOT a boy and never will be. She'll probably sulk for a while then she'll forget about it and move along. Get her into karate lessons or horseback riding, or something other than lurking around on the internet with all of her free time. Hell I remember when I was younger the adults thought the video games would be the end of us.

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