[–] bannedrui_resin 84 points (+84|-0)

Oh, you know. Abortion on demand, the abolition of the commercial sex industry, an end to rape, sexual harassment, and domestic violence, and an overhaul of all aspects of society (like work, medicine and transport) to suit men's and women's needs equally, at least 50% political representation, and the total eradication of every last vestige of male supremacy, culturally and institutionally, and economic liberation and fairness. Or do you mean specifically with regards to trans people? Well then, the end goal is firstly for the law to recognise female people AKA women as an important political group and to protect our right to separate spaces and services, and secondly for everyone else to recognise it this, too, and to stop trying to use butlerian badlogic, emotional blackmail, and harassment and cancellation to try to prevent us distinguishing between men and women, either with our thought(crime)s or with our word(crime)s. Oh and I'd like the "ameliorative" redefinition of all our woman-centred language to stop, too.

[–] remquarqk 19 points (+19|-0)

We should also clarify---we want the end of gender. The end of assigning gender to every personality type and piece of clothing. Freedom from oppressive gender roles. Without all the gendered baggage, guess what? Sex and sexual orientation would still exist and be very real. It just wouldn't mean anything about your personality or the way you present yourself.

[–] TrainingBluejay 64 points (+64|-0)

why would he go to r/asktransgender for this question? Why not go and ask terfs?

[–] GoodGoneGirl [OP] 75 points (+75|-0)

Because he’s a TIM, and TIMs can’t handle having to listen to women.

[–] NewMa 67 points (+67|-0)

Because there's no place on Reddit to find a group qualified to answer.

[–] BogHag 45 points (+45|-0)

TERFs have been chased off the incel reserve that is reddit

[–] kalina 36 points (+36|-0)

they're not allowed to have discussions with TERFs, they're only allowed to insult or block us right away

[–] MarshmellowSpider 29 points (+29|-0)

And potentially risk breaking the illusion that we are all evil and irrational and want them dead? No no no unacceptable. Pre-approved answers only.

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[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 47 points (+47|-0)

I’m not a typical terve but the ones I know are very nice reasonable women who want to be called women and not vagina people and want penises out of single sex spaces. They also want men regardless of their special feelings while wearing women’s underwear to leave lesbians alone. They are good natured and easy to please. The fact that some men find these women to be an existential threat just shows how bottom of the pile they are.

[–] bumpyjerboa 34 points (+34|-0)

their goal is to make themselves feel better by connecting with others through insulting trans people out of existence...

That's a new one! Crazy how many of us have to deal with bullies, abusive SOs or family members, abuse in the workplace, and yet... we still exist???

Their goal is to end gender roles when in actuality it would become worse for gender nonconforming cis people as there will be a witch hunt to try to find trans people.

How can one even be GNC if there aren't gender roles anymore? Who will the witch hunts focus on, on what basis will the hunters look for trans people? Do these people hear themselves talk?

To achieve that they go for public loos first, cause if you aren't able to pee and shit in piece [sic] you can't go as far away from your home as you would, which then leads that you aren't as visible anymore.

Nice co-opting of our language! Last I heard the fad for TIMs was to take pathetic selfies of their "gender euphoria" in the ladies' room. I guess that's part of the visibility they need? Imagine what they would do if they felt at peace there!

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 29 points (+29|-0)

The idea that men would stay home because they have no where decent to piss is hysterically funny.

[–] Jellyfishes 6 points (+6|-0)

cause if you aren't able to pee and shit in piece

I support a third bathroom for trans people and made-up genders. But TIMs don't want it, cause them they can't creep on women. They are the ones causing the bathroom problem.

[–] bibliophile 4 points (+4|-0)

love how he's bringing up the urinary leash that restricted women for centuries, and which will be placed not on him but on Muslim women if all bathrooms are made multisex.

[–] actualdyke 25 points (+25|-0)

ykw ima just start saying yes lol. "oh so terfs don't want trans people to exist" exactly. chad face

[–] notyourfetish 14 points (+14|-0) Edited

Exactly. I don't want them to exist. The "good" trans have a mental illness, and I don't want to people to suffer from that, even if they are sexist shits for thinking dress = woman. The worse trans are perverts with a fetish. I don't want them to exist because they are a danger to other people.

It’s all bullshit that there’s such a thing as “being trans” for starters. Yeah, I don’t want lying perverts to exist.

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 9 points (+9|-0)

This is more my energy.

[–] actualdyke 5 points (+5|-0)

i really need all women to start having this kind of energy because being nice and welcome and accommodating is pretty much what got us into this mess in the first place🤷🏽‍♀️

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 2 points (+2|-0)

Every time I try to say the same thing they come for me and tell me “well we need gender critical allies” and I’m instantly transported to the day I was canceled because “feminism needs male allies.”

[–] MenHaveItEasy 3 points (+3|-0)

I'm trying to collect the infinity stones so I can just snap them out of existance.

[–] m0RT_1 25 points (+25|-0)

They are good at lying to each other that is for sure.

[–] furyosa no, thank you 25 points (+25|-0)

A world with no trans people in it. That's their end goal. A world transition is not possible and where trans people are socially and legally mandated out of existence.

No, the end goal is to stand up for women's sex based rights which exist to protect women and girls from predatory men. If people will persist in claiming special identities that defies reality they should either get the proper help for that along with other body dysmorphic sufferers. Or in cases of it being a fetish, they can create their own spaces where they can exercise their fetish away from those who don't consent to partaking in it.

[–] salty-tomorrow 18 points (+18|-0)

I want to live in a world where trans people don’t exist not because they’re trans, but because gender nonconformity and homosexuality are so normalized that no one feels the need to alter their bodies or lie about who they are to feel accepted and supported.

[–] a-witch-a-broad 12 points (+12|-0)

That's well said. They say we "don't want trans people to exist" and maybe, in a very weird way, that's technically right as it would be a side effect of the abolishment of the oppressive hierarchy that is gender. I want the concept of gender to be meaningless due to sex role stereotypes no longer existing, so that people can authentically express themselves emotionally, aesthetically, and romantically/sexually. Without "gender," there's no such thing as "transgender."

[–] salt_and_tea 24 points (+24|-0)

Every time I notice someone bring up the terves on reddit, I have to take a peek to see what kind of fanfiction they're writing about us this week. It's very clear that 99% of them have never spoken to or interacted with anyone they would consider a TERF. Most of them seem to think we are 80's teen movie villains skulking about in the shadows, recruiting an army of youngsters to shank trans people.

[–] Jellyfishes 4 points (+4|-0)

I have to take a peek to see what kind of fanfiction they're writing about us this week.

I try to do that sometimes, but their fantasies are all so boring and repetitive.

[–] Galko 17 points (+17|-0)

They all seem to have personal baggage around sexual assault, they're hurt people, who reduce womanhood down to how much women suffer in a group therapy kind of way.

Well, a fairly high percentage of women are sexually assaulted in their lives, estimated between 1 in 4 to half depending on the group. So any sub group of women probably has a high percent...

everyone is naturally straight/cis and only becomes gay/trans through trauma/abuse/intentional grooming by queer adults.

Wait, which is it? Are the evil terven the sexual trauma survivors or the TiMs? You can't have it both ways!

[–] notyourfetish 10 points (+10|-0)

They always try to use that argument. "They're just hurt people!"

Aside from myself (lol), I never see anyone on here talking about their trauma or how they were raped that one time.

Having been hurt by men doesn't automatically invalidate anything we have to say about male violence and genderism. The fact is, we are 100% correct about them, and they will look for anything to discredit us.

[–] AnneLister 6 points (+6|-0)

Even so, who's the expert on male depravity? The women who have been hurt by them or the women who claim they haven't?

[–] Jellyfishes 4 points (+4|-0)

and only becomes gay

They can't decide if we terves are all mean lesbians or all straight.

[–] hypatia 17 points (+17|-0)

My end goal: to be able to organize around the rights of female-born people, and to be left the fuck alone by males who have decided dressing male doesn't make their genderfeels happy enough.

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