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Seriously. People who keep mindlessly repeating this just sound like idiots to me. I used to be one of those people before I peaked and now I realized how brainwashed I was by the Tumblr crowd. I was one of those idiots.

I don’t know why I still waste my time on Reddit. There are literally no safe spaces for lesbians there, and whenever I see lesbians saying that those crossdressing dudes (who post those horrendous selfies where you can clearly see they’re a MAN) are “gorgeous” and “valid” I’m like, “Sis? What exactly do you gain from lying to these dudes?”

And it messes me up how “trans women are women” became a mantra that people keep repeating to win arguments. I don’t see people saying “trans men are men” in gay spaces as often. I don’t see people trying to convince gay men to have sex with a TIF.

I wonder how many lesbians in these spaces (like Reddit) only compliment these dudes out of pressure. To me it just seems like the movie Lars And The Real Girl, where Ryan Gosling starts dating a sex doll and the entire town just pretends she’s real to make Ryan feel good about himself but deep down they know it’s freaking bizarre that he is dating a sex doll.

Seriously. People who keep mindlessly repeating this just sound like idiots to me. I used to be one of those people before I peaked and now I realized how brainwashed I was by the Tumblr crowd. I was one of those idiots. I don’t know why I still waste my time on Reddit. There are literally no safe spaces for lesbians there, and whenever I see lesbians saying that those crossdressing dudes (who post those horrendous selfies where you can clearly see they’re a MAN) are “gorgeous” and “valid” I’m like, “Sis? What exactly do you gain from lying to these dudes?” And it messes me up how “trans women are women” became a mantra that people keep repeating to win arguments. I don’t see people saying “trans men are men” in gay spaces as often. I don’t see people trying to convince gay men to have sex with a TIF. I wonder how many lesbians in these spaces (like Reddit) only compliment these dudes out of pressure. To me it just seems like the movie Lars And The Real Girl, where Ryan Gosling starts dating a sex doll and the entire town just pretends she’s real to make Ryan feel good about himself but deep down they know it’s freaking bizarre that he is dating a sex doll.

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[–] legopants 76 points (+76|-0)

I've never seen transmen are men. Even back when JKR first tweeted her support to us. It's only transwomen, and that's because they're men. Whenever I see it I laugh because it's plain as day, if they were women, this wouldn't need to be said. We don't say "women are women", in fact we say "women are human"...

My brother who's gay has had TiFs on his dating apps but he gets to tell them to fuck off or literally whatever and there's no repercussions because men can say whatever they want about women. Gay men don't put up with TiFs at. all.

And I will never not be mad about all our lesbians spaces being erased or taken. Funny, I was on reddit the other day and two opposing view subs were going at it until mods stepped in saying to not bother them because "regardless of views, everyone deserves their own space to gather with like minded people". Except women. Except lesbians. Trans? 3839494647382 subs for themselves. Lesbians? -1

[–] Lilim 41 points (+41|-0)

Transmen are men only matters if they’re pregnant, menstruating or as an afterthought.

It’ll always be a chain of comments talking about transwomen and someone will pipe up “and transmen are men!” and there’ll be a few “uh yeah of course” “can’t forget our trans brothers” and then it’ll go right back to talking about how oppressed the poor straight male fetishists are.

[–] PaulaAlquist 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

The other 2 ways TIFs matter: porn or being Born of Cher.

Chas Bono being on Dancing Stars is the one time I can think of wherein a TIF took away a place meant for a man. Men LARPing as women take women's places every damn day now.

[–] Boudicaea 13 points (+13|-0)

They only matter as an excuse to use dehumanizing language for women. Uterus havers, birthing bodies, etc.

Trans men are men comes up very occasionally with gay men not wanting to date them, or women actually treating them as equals and not as superiors.

Sometimes I’ll come across a TIF who’s just whining about how “I can tell that other people don’t think that I’m really a man” and it’s just this long monologue of insecurity, like they got asked to help sweep up the restaurant with a female coworker and that’s obviously meant to be a dig at them. Yesterday a guy swept up with a female coworker, but “when it happens to me it’s clearly a sign of disrespect.” They want to be treated just like other men, but also want their weird mental hangups and desperate attempts to be better than women validated. This somehow gets convoluted into “trans men are men” because people respond with how they totally understand how a “man” would not be comfortable doing that.

Sometimes it comes up as straight women not wanting to date TIFs as well, and this is probably going to be more common as more young lesbians are going to be pressured into transitioning.

[–] notyourfetish 43 points (+43|-0)

Yeah, I'm at a point where I can't even ignore it anymore. Years and years of this. I'm so tired. Every time I see someone say some stupid gender shit, I correct them.

I can't look at a Youtube video without someone remarking about "identifying" as a woman. I don't attack anyone. I just leave a comment saying "You can't identify as a woman" and then the comment section goes wild. People on Youtube hate my ass, but I'm sick of this shit. And I'm tired of being silenced.

Every tenth comment on Reddit in popular subs is “as a trans person….”

[–] bellatrixbells 2 points (+2|-0)

Ha. I deactivated the notifications for responses months ago when I got a pile on after daring to point out that Contra is a fucking guy and that no, I will not refer to him as she.

The amount of men mansplaining away how I had a right to disagree but not to use male pronouns for him.

Anyways.

It's tiring.

[–] SamuraiGhostCat 34 points (+34|-0) Edited

whenever I see lesbians saying that those crossdressing dudes (who post those horrendous selfies where you can clearly see they’re a MAN) are “gorgeous” and “valid” I’m like, “Sis? What exactly do you gain from lying to these dudes?”

Are you sure they’re women and not just other TIMs? Lol

And yeah, they use that absurd mantra to shut down any critical thought and argument.

I don’t see people trying to convince gay men to have sex with a TIF.

The TIFs on r/askgaybros beg to differ. There are probably at least 200 posts there, all asking, “Would you ever be with a trans man?” and “Would you ever be attracted to a trans man?” The comments on these posts are overwhelmingly critical. And I think that I’ve only seen TIFs screeching about how “cis f@gs” are “transphobic bigots” about this, unlike every TRA that claims that lesbians need to have sex with TIMs.

[–] jewnicorn [OP] 15 points (+15|-0)

Imagine being a TIF and trying to convince a bunch of sweaty dudes to have sex with you…

[–] PaulaAlquist 15 points (+15|-0)

I mean. They could have the same without changing a thing about themselves, these straight women.

[–] Tiramisu 33 points (+33|-0)

The TWAW and validation posts are such toddler tantrums. I don't know if anyone has memed it yet, but I there's a scene Michael Scott from The Office yelling "I delcare bankruptcy!" Then Oscar tells him "I just wanted you to know that you can't just say the word "bankruptcy" and expect anything to happen."

Yelling TWAW won't change science.

[–] IrishTheFrenchie 24 points (+24|-0) Edited

Whenever someone recites the "TWAW" mantra, I answer one of two ways...

  1. "Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Amen." With a gif of someone making the sign of the cross. (since they're both religions, lol)

OR

  1. "Transwomen are women, trumpets are pets, hot dogs are dogs, horseradishes are horses."

Transplants are plants, transfers are firs, transactions are actions and Transylvania is sylvania.

[–] Frau_BerchDUH 4 points (+4|-0)

BAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! This is great, I can't wait to use this in an argument!

[–] DonKarnage 11 points (+11|-0) Edited

I like to use the shit theme when referencing TiMs:

Road apples are apples. Cowpies are pies. Dingleberries are berries.

Seems to suit TiM's a little better imo. It captures their essence.

[–] Mintie 0 points (+0|-0)

Mark my words, TWA(W)men will be a thing eventually (unless the word men triggers those poor sensitive dears).

[–] MiMi2013 24 points (+24|-0) Edited

Castrated, mutilated men with their genitalia grafted back on in a vague approximation of healthy normal female genitalia are not women, and it is insulting to pretend otherwise. This is true no matter how much horse piss derived hormones they take in, or whether they wear a dress and a wig.

And of course most trans woMEN are just autogynephiliacs, who are very attached to their penises, so they can bully bi and lesbian women into interacting with them sexually. Anywhere from 80 to 95% of trans woMEN have no interest in GRS.

And I believe even the autogynephiliacs are being edged out by predators, after they edged out the HSTSs who even now, most normies think are the overwhelming majority of trans woMEN.

[–] drdee 22 points (+22|-0)

'I don’t see people saying “trans men are men” in gay spaces as often. I don’t see people trying to convince gay men to have sex with a TIF.'

It's being done. But it's not getting the kind of traction that the other way around gets.

[–] Mintie 2 points (+2|-0)

These cases show up quite a bit on askgaybros on Reddit and they bring it up on LGBDroptheT every so often.

[–] actualdyke 17 points (+17|-0) Edited

Sis? What exactly do you gain from lying to these dudes?

I feel there are a lot of factors and all of them are pretty sad TBH. one thing is that smug liberal handmaidens absolutely love patting themselves on the back for being good allies, and handmaidening for TIMs is perfect bc it gets them that combo male bootlicking + SJW satisfaction. also, a lot of them see TIMs as magical and special (think how straight women love the idea of gay male BFF pets) so they think that pandering to them will get them a stay in the cool girls club, basically just "i'm not like other cis girls" syndrome. if there's one thing I could make all of these women understand it's the being an ally is never going to be good enough when you're dealing with a group of people who so violently hate and envy you that they openly admit to wanting to skin you and wear it.

[–] fightlikeagirl 17 points (+17|-0)

It's patriarchy, plain and simple. Men's feelings continue to be prioritized over women's, and that includes TIMs and TIFs. That's why the trans movement centers TIMs, ignores women's boundaries, and pressures lesbians into "unlearning genital preferences" (while gay men are free to say they don't want vagina). Same patriarchy with a pink and blue coat of paint.

[–] somegenerichandle 12 points (+12|-0)

I've never know what that movie was about, oh my. I can't stand reddit and all the self censoring i do. I joined in 2014 to chat on GC since i didn't want to out myself as GC on facebook, i was in a GC public group there. And now all i do is censor myself. This one really got to me

Surgeries for trans women are pretty darn good, ngl.

https://www.reddit.com/r/badwomensanatomy/comments/q6yc8f/wtf_just_no/hggsevm/

And then i waste all this time looking of prevalence rates of complications.

[–] KissMyOvaries 5 points (+5|-0)

The bad womens anatomy sub just spreads lies about womens anatomy.

I had those freaks follow me to CF subs and harass me when I would say that pregnancy and giving birth can permanently change a woman’s body.

It’s just a bunch of men and idiot teenage girls who haven’t experienced most of what they talk about.

[–] GCRadFem 10 points (+10|-0)

I like to shorten it to TW. If for some reason I absolutely have to write it, it’s transwomen because they don’t like it.

When I first found preddit, back in 2014 or 2015, I discovered TIMS. I had no idea prior to joining that they even existed en masse, that they demanded to be called women or that people capitulated to their demands, or that they called themselves lesbians.

I was scolded a few time on the actuallynotlesbians sub for my GC comments. I never got banned there because I deleted it since it was full of men and not lesbians. I then wound up banned from 2X, witches and news because they do their seek and destroy mission every second of every day on preddit to wipe out any people that don’t support the TW narrative.

Then came the total wipeout of the GC and truelesbians subs😪.

I have one lone account there now for specific sports and politics. I avoid any GC comments or I would be totally banned. Preddit is a cesspool of woman-hate and men larping as women, supported by admins and mods.

Only women are expected to give up womanhood or to allow them to hijack or pretend that they have our xx chromosomes.

TM don’t demand much of anything because they know that not for one second, would men allow the demands that TW expect. Men would laugh (and probably already do). Hell, TM are socialized women regardless of what they pretend.

Men are giving up nothing. Only women do. None of this BS would have happened if women would have said hell no in the beginning but we are not socialized to demand or to stand our ground in order to not give woman away.

[–] shewolfoffrance 10 points (+10|-0)

TM are socialized women

You really see this in tearful videos and comments about being misgendered. TiMs will claim to cry at the slightest perceived "transphobia". 'Cuz that's what us girls do, right? We cry over a broken nail? TiFs actually will sob when they aren't affirmed. The exceptions are the TiFs who take lots of T and start displaying more typically male aggression and anger.

It’s also a manipulation tactic, right up there with “I’ll kill myself if I don’t get what I want”. And “what I endure is akin to the Holocaust.”

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