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This belongs in /o/Translogic as an image post or maybe in /o/ItsAFetish.

This circle isn't for direct linking to trans people being nutty on social media.

I'll leave this thread up because it already has a lot of comments but please take note, read the sidebars of circles before posting.

This is a women-centered, radical feminist oriented circle to discuss gender from a critical, feminist perspective.

Most images belong in other circles, as do examples of individual trans activists doing off-the-wall things, as do some news subjects and many personal posts that aren't political:

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"I’m pre-everything and am so excited to paint my nails and wear crop tops again when I pass better [as a man]."

So… in other words, these women are very comfortable with femininity, but they just can't stand being called women. That's internalised misogyny on turbo-drive.

Oh, and externalised misogyny too. Ugh.

I think once you feel like you don’t have to prove your gender it’s easier to just dress how you want. That’s how I felt. Once I came out and felt accepted as a boy I wanted to dress more feminine since that’s what I actually like.

WTF is she talking about? She doesnt have to “prove” anything. Why are they so obsessed with clothes = sex?

Wear whatever the fuck you want! It doesn’t change your “gender” FFS.

[–] kitten 32 points Edited

correct me if i'm wrong but as someone who went through a transman phase too i think she means as a woman she felt like she had to prove herself more. you can't just be a woman who likes metal, you need to list all your favourite bands and the singer's shoe sizes. you can't just be into programming, you need to learn 4+ languages and never make a mistake ever. women are held to higher standards, not for the best of them, but because it's fun (to society) to tear us down. by running away to the male gender she feels she can escape this never ending criticism and needing to jump through hoops to be taken seriously. it's sort of like the Not Like Other Girls shit. if you're a pretty woman who wears pink and dresses and walks into a stem class, people are less likely to take you seriously i feel.

when you read this shit they sound like idiots who can't see the obvious, but i just feel bad for them at this point. the internalized misogyny has a chokehold on them.

women are held to higher standards, not for the best of them, but because it's fun (to society) to tear us down. by running away to the male gender she feels she can escape this never ending criticism and needing to jump through hoops to be taken seriously

I see what you're saying here – it's true we are held to higher standards and more likely to be ripped to shreds if we don't meet them. But getting everyone else to pretend they think you're a man won't change that; not really.

It could surely only work if people genuinely think you're a natal male, and I doubt that happens for many (and certainly not these femboys in their crop tops). Even if it did, there would still be the internalised misogyny to contend with.

Also, well, it's just so sad that women have been persuaded that rather than stand together to fight the oppression of gender, they should just skip sides and leave their sisters to suffer.

Very interesting, thank you for sharing. I can relate to these feelings but they didn't internalize to me transitioning to male, instead I became promiscuous in my younger years trying to impress males.

In high school I saw it was unfavorable to boys if you were a girl that assumed sex would lead to a relationship. So I tried to be promiscuous with zero emotional attachment. It eventually took me down a very dark, self destructive path that I was lucky to survive in the end.

Now with my own daughter, I know now how intense female socialization can be and I try very hard to impress on her, her own worth. Girls around the world need to understand: mental health, sexual health, physical health...comes first, define it for yourself first!

i think she means as a woman she felt like she had to prove herself more. you can't just be a woman who likes metal, you need to list all your favourite bands and the singer's shoe sizes.

I have never felt this way or that I had to prove anything and I’m not particularly confident and don’t do femininity all that well.

Maybe I just can’t relate.

Yah, I told my ex boyfriend I was a fan of the SF Giants because I really liked Tim Lincecum. He literally asked me to name 5 other players and who their coach was 🤣 I was like dude, I just like how Tim pitches, so I like to watch SF games!

Adopting the sissification fetish from their brave and stunning transwomen sisters, I see.

That was my thought.

It’s a sub of trans identified females acting out trans identified male fantasies. So many “catboy” selfies.

When I saw the post title I instantly imagined some new variation on trans-identifying men who understand that they're autogynophiles! What a disappointment!

[–] norravarg 46 points Edited

"For me it was because i realized that liking feminine things doesn't mean you're a woman".

Yes... we've been saying this all along. Turns out, it's biology that makes you a woman. WEIRD.

Furthermore, gals, lay off the yaoi fanfiction. Christ.

So they're totally fine with being feminine and a stereotypical woman just as long as you call her a ''he''? this shit you can't even make up! Calling themselves ''femboys'' is so gross. TIF's also can't keep their fetishes a secret.

There’s so much to unpack. Internalized misogyny, the conviction that all things must be “gendered,” the anxiety over conforming to “masculinity” or “feminity” and what they’re identifying and presenting as. These people have serious problem and they’re turning to fucking Reddit and Tumblr to validation rather than help.

And this is yet another example of why I’m really over TIFs and my sympathy for them has almost completely evaporated. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 27 points

Femininity as a girl = dysphoria

Femininity as a femboy = euphoria

They had to ruin femboys too. Or femgirls, as I call them.

Femboys we’re gross from the jump though. Idk if you’ve noticed but for the past several years, it’s been heavily tied in online spaces with the concept of “traps” from anime. Not exactly “trans” but typically feminized for their own gratification from having people watch them or for the gratification of others, usually those that are more masculine (in this case, masculinized women for the most part)

If I were queen of the world, I would ban all anime.

I’d support you on that. I did grow up watching anime like powerpuff girls z (Japanese rendition of the American show) and sailor moon, mostly stuff targeted to girls and a few shounen anime. But rewatching it as an adult, you see how creepy animators are and you can’t help but notice the male fans are the worst. The Love Live fanbase was pretty much the last straw for me

I think once you feel like you don't have to prove your gender it's easier to just dress how you want. That's how I felt. Once I came out and felt accepted as a boy I wanted to dress more feminine since that’s what I actually like.

It's sad, she's so close to having a gender critical epiphany here. Just a shame she went all-in on transgender ideology first.

[–] RosesAndRubies 17 points Edited

The COMMENTS.

Oh my god, these women need serious help. And you know they all flock to gay dating apps hoping to find a gay man who will help them re-enact their raging yaoi fetishes. Piss off.

Makes sense to me. Everyone is naturally somewhat masculine and somewhat feminine. These are girls who face pressure to be feminine so they go all masculine to balance their personalities. Then they figure out that being super masculine isn't balanced either. It's completely reasonable, the only issue I see is the pretense that they are men.

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