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My guess is both, based on the "evidence" so far. I don't know her or the porn scene at all and don't want to make false accusations or ignorant comments about sexual assault, and I don't know if the one screenshot or link I've seen is reliable, that's why I'm asking other people to tell me your perspectives. She admits to being notoriously aggressive in porn circles and having her way with other women, often for the cameras during porn parties and often in bathrooms. She says she always stopped when there was a determined NO but was deeply ashamed when the allegations against her going overboard surfaced. However she also mentions the allegations came from her enemies. Since her rejection of trans porn actor Drew Deveaux in 2012 was the event that inspired the creation of the word cotton ceiling, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another lie by TRAs to cancel "transphobes", but it seems to me she was indeed predatory and people are now using it as a tool to invalidate other gender critical women. I personally fail to see how the existence of women who assault other women is a gotcha for the gender maffia to open female only spaces to male offenders too. To me a man who feels entitled to enter a female bathroom because of his gender feels ALREADY counts as a predator who doesn't respect boundaries, so I find this whole "not all transwomen" argument pointless.

This is the screenshot shared by a TRA where other porn actresses accuse Lily Cade of being a predator back in 2017

And this is the page where she allegedly apologised for her behaviour

This is a picture posted in 2017 where a TRA calls Cade a serial predator and TERF

Here's one of Lily Cade's tumblr posts from 2018 where she answers the allegations.

My guess is both, based on the "evidence" so far. I don't know her or the porn scene at all and don't want to make false accusations or ignorant comments about sexual assault, and I don't know if the one screenshot or link I've seen is reliable, that's why I'm asking other people to tell me your perspectives. She admits to being notoriously aggressive in porn circles and having her way with other women, often for the cameras during porn parties and often in bathrooms. She says she always stopped when there was a determined NO but was deeply ashamed when the allegations against her going overboard surfaced. However she also mentions the allegations came from her enemies. Since her rejection of trans porn actor Drew Deveaux in 2012 was the event that inspired the creation of the word cotton ceiling, I wouldn't be surprised if this was just another lie by TRAs to cancel "transphobes", but it seems to me she was indeed predatory and people are now using it as a tool to invalidate other gender critical women. I personally fail to see how the existence of women who assault other women is a gotcha for the gender maffia to open female only spaces to male offenders too. To me a man who feels entitled to enter a female bathroom because of his gender feels ALREADY counts as a predator who doesn't respect boundaries, so I find this whole "not all transwomen" argument pointless. [This is the screenshot shared by a TRA where other porn actresses accuse Lily Cade of being a predator back in 2017](https://twitter.com/christapeterso/status/1453149042125332480?s=20) [And this is the page where she allegedly apologised for her behaviour](http://therealpornwikileaks.com/lily-cade-apologizes-amid-sexual-assault-allegations/) [This is a picture posted in 2017 where a TRA calls Cade a serial predator and TERF](https://twitter.com/comedyunism/status/932660470930137090?s=20) [Here's one of Lily Cade's tumblr posts from 2018 where she answers the allegations.] (https://lilycade.tumblr.com/post/170280897763/is-it-true-that-you-are-a-rapist-saw-lots-of)

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I don't doubt it's true, but I'm not sure why the porn actress is being taken as some kind of norm or indicator of the rest of the lesbians interviewed. The porn industry is fucked up.

I believe it, the porn industry grooms people both to be abused and to be abusers, and performers who help victimize others are often the ones who become industry darlings.

I don’t know who this person is, but even if true, it doesn’t negate the lesbian community being abused by these fucks. They got a decades-long festival shut down, ffs. Lesbian women were murdered. What they have been doing en masse to lesbians is evil and criminal.

Yes, and also, if the TRAs want to claim that a single rapist out of 80 women interviewed negates all the other women's experiences, then what do they have to say about the rather significant percentage of PROVEN and CONVICTED TIM rapists and pedos? So we are supposed to discount all these women's stories, while simultaneously supposed to believe a convicted sex offender in prison who suddenly claims he's a 'woman'???

I believe her accusers, but TRAs are just using her as "SEE!! BOTH SIDES DO IT!!" bullshit. Yes women can assault other women but that doesn't change that males are way more likely to prey on women.

[–] notyourfetish 8 points Edited

Ikr? I'm so sick of this argument.

Every time TIMs get called on their behavior, they deflect, shift goal posts, point fingers at women and say we are just as evil and dangerous and predatory . . . No. No, we're not.

Right and this is so stupid considering we're talking about PORN STARS. Newsflash: sexual abuse happens in the sex industry.

[–] visits_radio 12 points Edited

Yeah, she admits it and she has a victims says it's true. There's not much doubt in my mind that she is a rapist.

Yeah, they're now already twisting the narrative into "all lesbians are predatory rapists who rape trans women". On Twitter I've seen several users say "the accusers are the perpetrators, as always".

[–] TransWidow Memoir Soon! 12 points

Somehow lesbians are both people who rape trans women and people whose transphobia prevents them from going anywhere near trans women...

[–] ALesbian 4 points Edited

"The accusers are the perpetrators, as always?"

By that logic, when these people hear* of a child molesting case, do these people think little girls are molesting grown men?

*Edit: typo

Yeah, as a-witch-a-broad said, often when a (in my experience always female) child is raped by a man, people will absolutely claim that the girl victimised him by being an irresistible child-woman.

But this statement is very telling far beyond the topic of child rape. These people openly admit that they don't believe victims. They've never believed women. And they never will.

Some pedophiles do claim children are intentionally and actively trying to seduce them. Whether that claim is sincere or not, I have no idea.

Uh, isn’t that what’s been said since time immemorial? She’s a little temptress. She wanted it.

I'd say it doesn't matter with regards to the article - her story was included to provide context for the origin of the term 'cotton ceiling'. That backstory doesn't hinge on whether or not she is a bad person.

I believe it. Her apology really lays out how twisted her thinking is/was and her sexual entitlement to other women's bodies.

[–] RisingUp 6 points Edited

The cotton ceiling fight was in 2012 and all these allegations came after?

Yeah, I don’t believe them. These vindictive fucks will wait years to destroy someone.

I’m sure she must have behaved inappropriately if she says she’s ashamed of it but I’m also sure that it’s been exaggerated 1000x by TRAs. We know how they operate. Look at their allegations against Jesse Singal. Made up out of whole cloth. The insane libel against Julie Bindel.

TRAs lie. 100% of the time. Their entire existence is lies. Their every thought is a lie. When they tell the truth it’s a coincidence. If TRAs are accusing their enemies of crimes I take that less seriously than a cheese dream. The evidentiary value of words a TRA said is zero.

So no. Don’t believe them. Fuck them.

Edit to be clear: don’t fuck them.

I posted Lily Cade's latest blog post to Ovarit yesterday: To The Pussified Men of America, if They are Brave Enough to Look

To complete the archiving, here's the text of her previous blog post responding to the BBC article.


About That BBC Article

Did you read it? Is your lack of reading comprehension caused by most of your brainpower being devoted to cognitive dissonance or intentional obfuscation?

I was asked about a moment of history that I passed through. The only other person who passed through it could not be reached for comment. Maybe she is dead and maybe only the persona is. That was my sole contribution to the article. I believe the journalist had an interest in shining a light on this conversation and the effects it is having on the way people are treating each other online and in person.

By the end of my tour, I had become a broken monster, a fact I have never disputed. The first time I was called out, I left porn, got sober by fits and starts, and am voluntarily celibate. I can't take it back, but before I was a dead-eyed soul reaper I was the "Cotton Ceiling"

Here is further background on "The Cotton Ceiling".

The trans community has bullied lesbian women for years, including shutting down their musical festivals, parties, and any attempt to hold women only space.

Trans women are men. A lifetime commitment to pharmaceuticals and plastic surgery does nothing to change the sex of an animal, it just makes money for big pharma at the expense of, quite literally, your children's mental and physical integrity.

They came for the lesbians and you did nothing. This discourse is holding down your daughters and degrading your sons. You stand by while mentally ill boys are encouraged to dominate your daughters in sports. You stand by while your children's teachers use them as cum rags for Judith Butler's sloppy seconds and encourage them to mutilate their bodies and make that lifetime commitment behind your backs.

Bruce Jenner had a fitness routine. Katilyn Jenner had social media. If you were born a man, you die one. The only difference is whether “man” means all that noble crap you say it means or just the part about the vas deferns and the distance between your asshole and your urethra.

In any other animal but man, self-mutilation is a sign of extreme psychological distress. Your culture is broken. Twitter did it. The slot machine in your pocket did it. Castrate your phone before it castrates you.

"Take the red pill" means lose your smartphone and get off social media. Two real artists were sacrificed to the exact Matrix they spoke of to give you that message.

The algorithm rewards your worst self. Your worst self is a mincing, panty wearing pussy of a man. I deserve no pity. I ask for no forgiveness. I pity no man, and I do not pity any of you.

Where are your fucking balls, America?