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I'm quite disappointed to see women here who are supposedly "gender critical" dismiss this woman so readily when it came to her "obviously unhinged " blogs like are you serious?? You're embarrassing and this is part of the reason it's getting increasingly hard to call myself GC. She was being attacked even by the ones who proudly call themselves TERFs you'd think they'd understand her a bit, but all these labels apparently mean we're pacifist and throw other women under the bus when it's bad optics. She is still a woman who is standing up to this ideology her own way, who has been abused herself but I guess it doesn't matter because "she makes us look bad" incredible. Her writing style is powerful and her rage is what's needed and being angry and reading women like her being rightfully angry as well is what made me see this ideology for what it is and because I felt that rage myself as should all of us. I just hate the absolute lack of female solidarity when it's inconvenient, like not even trying to understand her perspective just immediately villainizing her so we could be perceived as "the good ones". I guess im just disillusioned by how quickly these GCs were to paint her as this violent monster & compare her to TRAS like wtf?? also calling her mentally unstable, schizophrenic …and these are supposed to be feminists the fucking irony

Btw I'm not even gonna delve into her sexual assaults which she apologized and took full responsibility for, and the whole porn industry that she took part in as I obviously condemn it

I'm quite disappointed to see women here who are supposedly "gender critical" dismiss this woman so readily when it came to her "obviously unhinged " blogs like are you serious?? You're embarrassing and this is part of the reason it's getting increasingly hard to call myself GC. She was being attacked even by the ones who proudly call themselves TERFs you'd think they'd understand her a bit, but all these labels apparently mean we're pacifist and throw other women under the bus when it's bad optics. She is still a woman who is standing up to this ideology her own way, who has been abused herself but I guess it doesn't matter because "she makes us look bad" incredible. Her writing style is powerful and her rage is what's needed and being angry and reading women like her being rightfully angry as well is what made me see this ideology for what it is and because I felt that rage myself as should all of us. I just hate the absolute lack of female solidarity when it's inconvenient, like not even trying to understand her perspective just immediately villainizing her so we could be perceived as "the good ones". I guess im just disillusioned by how quickly these GCs were to paint her as this violent monster & compare her to TRAS like wtf?? also calling her mentally unstable, schizophrenic …and these are supposed to be feminists the fucking irony Btw I'm not even gonna delve into her sexual assaults which she apologized and took full responsibility for, and the whole porn industry that she took part in as I obviously condemn it

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[–] LOriginedumonde 10 points Edited

I haven’t seen this explicitly mentioned in either post but I think that a lot of women are just disappointed with how things played out. A problem that we’ve been screaming about for so long was finally addressed in a mainstream media article and its disappointing that instead of people focusing on the TIM rape victims mentioned in the article, people are only focusing on the woman who has been a victim and perpetrator of rape, who has said that TIMs should be lynched (be it metaphorical or not), and who was included in the article purely for the historical context of the “cotton ceiling.”

Its just the same old “wOmEn RaPe AnD aRe ViOlEnT ToO” that is always used to discredit women who speak out against their rapists and male violence. That’s not Lily’s fault, or any of our faults, it’s the fault of society at large. Women should be allowed to be upset and to grieve over the way things played out, and that we will be associated with this regardless of the fact that she is one woman out of thousands who are speaking out against this evil ideology. In a perfect world normal people (not TRAs) should be able to distinguish Lily’s actions and words as her own, but in our fucked up world full of dense followers, that’s just not realistic and it fucking sucks that humanity has allowed ourselves to become this way.

We need to just keep going around the TRAs. Ignore them and keep marching on. Honestly, I wish all GC women and feminists would just stop paying a single iota of attention to the TRAs on twitter and just do our own thing, powerfully and without worrying about how they spin it.

Exactly. Unfortunately what TRAs do and say does bleeds over into the real world; however, that is rapidly changing. This would have been a big issue if it had happened just one or two years earlier. I personally don’t have any social media besides Ovarit but I can understand why women are apprehensive when TRA tweets have been taken as gospel for so long. They’re losing power and we definitely shouldn’t be giving their belligerent rants any mind, but we also shouldn't knock women for still being somewhat fearful after everything that we’ve been through. We just have to keep pushing forward.