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With the news of the new guidelines for Tims in women sports-that they don't even have to reduce their testosterone ie whole-ass normal dudes colonizing every female sport-im thinking we are soon going to reach a peak that there will be no going back from.

Even the stupidest handmaidens, like the female athletes who are "so excited111!!!" to be part of the "progress" are going to change their tune when they start having no opportunities or private spaces whatsoever. That they're losing money and fame and everything they worked for their whole lives. They will wake up and realize "oh shit, I'm a second-class citizen. It's just like the Terfs said." Has anyone ever fought a war with reality and won? Lesbians and straight men aren't going to suddenly start wanting these guys. Nobody is ever going to really look at them and see a woman.

Women are half the population. And most of those women have children. Certainly you can't just screw over half the population and threaten the well-being of their children and just get away with it? Surely this can't go on for much longer right?

And even if Tims do succeed in colonizing women's sports, aren't there things we can do as women to create our own new spaces?

With the news of the new guidelines for Tims in women sports-that they don't even have to reduce their testosterone ie whole-ass normal dudes colonizing every female sport-im thinking we are soon going to reach a peak that there will be no going back from. Even the stupidest handmaidens, like the female athletes who are "so excited111!!!" to be part of the "progress" are going to change their tune when they start having no opportunities or private spaces whatsoever. That they're losing money and fame and everything they worked for their whole lives. They will wake up and realize "oh shit, I'm a second-class citizen. It's just like the Terfs said." Has anyone ever fought a war with reality and won? Lesbians and straight men aren't going to suddenly start wanting these guys. Nobody is ever going to really look at them and see a woman. Women are half the population. And most of those women have children. Certainly you can't just screw over half the population and threaten the well-being of their children and just get away with it? Surely this can't go on for much longer right? And even if Tims do succeed in colonizing women's sports, aren't there things we can do as women to create our own new spaces?

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[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 70 points

Yes everything can be done over. As I tried to impress upon everyone in my post, women’s liberation is not over. The future is out there for she who has the will, the courage to grab it. But freedom isn’t free. It’s going to cost something. Jobs, friends, family, marriages, money, reputations, criminal records, maybe even bodily integrity.

Certainly you can't just screw over half the population and threaten the well-being of their children and just get away with it?

It’s funny I saw a tweet today that said to the effect “when in history has it been ok for adults to put children at risk, for adults own benefit?” I didn’t know how to respond, because that describes most of human history. There has never been a time in history when the concerns of children have outweighed what adults, usually male adults, want.

Half the population (and more when including children) being screwed over, often literally, to satisfy men’s desires and needs, describes most of human history. If you want to change that, it’s going to take guts and all of us pulling together and barking back against the odds. You really have to want it, want it beyond reason.

Half the population (and more when including children) being screwed over, often literally, to satisfy men’s desires and needs, describes most of human history.

Just pulling this out for emphasis. Yes, they can and will do it, because they have done it all over the world for most of the time we have any record of. We have to fight them.

Less than 5 years. That's how long I predict it will take to completely destroy women's sports.

Will anyone listen before then? Don't know. We've BEEN screaming and no one cares.

That's what I'm wondering about, is within those five years surely everyone is going to notice how wrong this is. The damage that these people, especially tims will do will be impossible to ignore. And unless the United States becomes a trans-run dictatorship I don't see how they're going to get away with forcing everybody into submission

People might notice, but it will take a while to reverse everything and undo the damage. By then girls/women will have to rebuild their sports from the ground up.

But at some point it's not just going to be a woman's issue. Men don't care about women in general as a group, but most men at least have one female in their life that they care about and as the assault cases pile up and nobody's daughters can participate in any sports at school the shit is going to hit the fan.

From a more selfish point of view, I hate that I know that gay acceptance and tolerance will go down the drain because of these assholes, mostly because they latched themselves like leeches onto the LGB movement. I'm just about to come out as lesbian to my conservative family, but now I'm worried whether I should at all.

I challenge you on this. Think about the money involved as well as how it's politically convenient as a single issue to endlessly divert people's attention from real things. An endless one too since no proper definition of what a trans person s actually exists at all. The elites won't allow it. So it can change endlessly to suit the current fad/pre-made culture war. If we accept some version of trans is acceptable they'll invent another.

Also think about it in terms of the war against women. The true total war of all political wars, where women are the constant losers. Trans is really that as well. Its the perfection of it as well. You can't even name a woman anymore as a woman. We're the universal "no mans land" that has to be colonized by men, and if we resist we're the savages, the evil capitalists, or the nazis, witches, huns whatever. . .

And unless the United States becomes a trans-run dictatorship

This has basically already happened. I say that with the utmost misery.

[–] EllaRoxy 4 points Edited

I keep thinking about the day I saw "Rachel Levine" as the choice for the mental health position. I thought this can't be happening, Democrats aren't the far left. But here we are. It's like back in 2012ish when I first hear the term girldick on a forum. I thought, get out of here with that nonsense, there's no such thing as girldick. But again, here we are.

I am so..very..sick of ‘where are all the feminists?’

OR men who laugh at this shit and say "This is what feminists wanted! HAHAHA!" when they're talking about libfems.

Yeah, they're so willfully ignorant and uninformed, they just group us altogether.

Exactly this!!!!

I have long felt that most of the TRAs just love watching feminism burn

Why should we even be there though? They're men, men in dresses but still men. Men can deal with their own twisted compatriots.

They should, but they won’t.

The men are happy to see them as non-men and stick them with females.

They may be disgusted by them but they feel zero threat from TIMs which isn’t all together true. They're at less danger from TIMS than from other men, Tho. And at way less danger than women

What I mean is, when people ask ‘where are all the feminists’ fighting against various Tim invasions

Yeah once they get into whatever they wanted to get into, it's usually a pretty quick decline.

Sadly, I think it's all about defeating us and showing us that they 'can' if they want to..they just want to remind us of our place..

As with everything else men do, hatred of women is the driving force.

Eh, let em. I mean, really, this is one area where I think we can let it go to shit and peak the world. When washed up male athletes in spinny skirts are perving up every field, track and court that women used to play on, I think maybe everyone will wake the hell up. Or we'll find that the world didn't want women's sports anyway. Sigh.

It's the latter. Try entering any women's sport into YouTube, last time I did all the suggestions were something like "women's football funny, women's football fail, women's football boobs, women's football demolished, women's football cringe compilation".

Or we'll find that the world didn't want women's sports anyway. Sigh

Given how little female athletes are paid and how often I hear people say women's sports are "boring", I think this might sadly be the case. Women want women's sports, but women wanting something is usually not enough to make it happen, because those evil beings that think they own us usually get everything they want plus their pound of (our) flesh. If we want women's sports, we might need to go full separatist about it.

Next Olympics is going to have full on men, not even trying to look female. Not just one or two, dozens of them in every sport. I think it’s going to be an international laughingstock.

So… unless it gets to the point where people are afraid to laugh, I think it can’t go on for too much longer. This shit is so stupid it contains the seeds of its own destruction.

Yes, don’t TRA’s always say how men would never go to all the trouble of transitioning and lowering their testosterone to access women’s spaces and sports or perv on women? Well, lucky they don’t have to now.

Next Olympics is in 2.5 months. It’s not going to happen THAT fast.

Lol you’re right of course, I meant next summer Olympics. Though I wonder if there are going to be some shame-deficient Laurel Hubbard types in the upcoming.

[–] bellatrixbells No flair. 🙁 5 points

I think if at some point in the near future the Olympics are fully make there will be mass peaking. I kind of hope it happens. I'll hate it that some women will lose opportunities, but maybe it'll put a stop to it all.

Women are half the population. And most of those women have children. Certainly you can't just screw over half the population and threaten the well-being of their children and just get away with it?

You just described patriarchy, sister :/

[–] Ave_Lucifuge gender atheist 24 points Edited

I firmly believe it won't end until the lawsuits start piling up. In 10-20 years (maybe sooner, I'm no doctor!) people will begin to feel the effects of fucking around with hormones and cutting off healthy organs. Accusations will start to fly, authorities and the media will say "we couldn't possibly have known!" and big pharma/the healthcare industry will be ripped a new one in legal fees.

When the 1% start suffering for it, TRA nonsense will end. Until we dismantle Citizens United in the States and bring the mega rich to heel, they're going to keep destroying us to make their money (for example, the opioid crisis). They'd sell us to fucking Morgoth if it meant their portfolios went up another percentage or two next quarter.

I will say I think the Bible is right in one instance-the love of money is the root of evil. Small time narcissists and fetishists WANTED this to happen, but it'd be DOA without big money behind it all.

will say I think the Bible is right in one instance-the love of money is the root of evil.

If money did not exist, these people would find some other way to be callous, self-centered assholes.

I think the love of power is the root of evil. Money gives these people power. They can have whatever they want and do whatever they want. The world is their playground, and they don't care who suffers beneath them.

A few minutes ago I mentioned Citizens United in a comment to another post. Someone from the U.K. asked a question the just of which was about whether American democracy would really be in danger if we had a repeat of Trump. And I wrote a longer than intended response which concluded with Citizens United, corporate, and dark money.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe 22 points Edited

I doubt women's sports will be saved. I think that even if they make some guidelines drawing a line in the sand, the line will be weak and modern medicine will make it very easy to "stealth trans" and include intersex people, who may become the new major talking point for inclusion as self-id inevitably is seen as the naked wrong it is (at least for sports).

So womens' sports may indeed be doomed, even if it will peak a lot of people. Why? Theres too many nefarious countries wanting medal prestige at any cost. Think about what China already does to its dissidents. They also punish family members of dissidents, just for being related. No doubt they will trans some number of children in brutal soviet-type experiments and get a rash of gold medals on these stealth trans athletes, either they will force it or it will be coersive due to how poor and desperate their own population is. They may already be doing this or have been doing this. I really wish it wasn't doomed. but that's how it is. Right now is when we need some kind of trans male she-hulk because its a slippery slope from here I think, and if we got some team of Kobe Bryants from Belarus or something beating the shit out of the competition that might peak people enough.

But I digress.

The end of it is only going to happen when the massive scale of child abuse (via child medical experiments) is exposed. However, god only knows this coud take decades or even a century. Think of how long the Boy Scouts of America lasted before their shit was exposed. Think of the Catholic Church. And the trans religion truly is a new religion. The most dangerous one yet, possibly, as it literally has no morals, no obvious tenants besides self-destructive transgression and no central organization.

This is exactly how I'm feeling about it..thanks for putting it into words

"Has anyone ever fought a war with reality and won?" We're going to find that out, aren't we?

I genuinely think not. It's not about the truth, it's about who dominates and writes their version of the truth.

Men have been fighting the reality that women are human beings that are just as, if not more, intelligent than they are, and they've been winning. All of male hatred is a war with reality, because everything men hate about women (that they say out loud) is projection from them. So I guess it is possible, and reason #4874623632747347 to stay tf away from males, excise them as much as possible. They are all under the mass delusion of male supremacy, this 'trans' stuff is just a particularly bizarre iteration of it.

It's been years and years and it will continue to go on until a major shift happens. I estimate it'll be the kids who have transfer who will really cause the biggest stir, once they realize what's really been done to them.

Okay, I'm in the US, I hate republicans, but we gotta change the way we vote, everywhere in the world.

This is why I don’t understand why republicans go so stupid on abortion

Who are they afraid of losing?

Being forced to have a shitload of children keeps poor people in cycles of poverty and provides bodies for the military.

Not to mention under our current system it relegates women to literal slave status. She has to do whatever men want so she and her child don’t starve to death in many many cases.

I wish this trans stuff would go away so we could focus on women’s healthcare and paternal responsibility. I mean REAL paternal responsibility. I want to send every man running, terrified, to get a vasectomy ASAP.

They will want abortion for when they get ‘the wrong type of woman’ pregnant and tell themselves it’s to save THEIR family.....

..., but they figure it will keep ‘family values’ to force everyone else to have unwanted babies

[–] PGTips4Lyfe 12 points Edited

Their misogynist male donors who hold the money bags.

Also big pharma organizations. Did you know the AMA says nothing about abortion rights? They also say nothing about universal healthcare too. They are a business association of doctors, pharmacologists and c-suite medical businessmen. OFC they don't want government regulation of their filthy blood-stained profits and pregnancies make more money than abortions.

I have to tell you I cannot describe how much I have grown to despise Republicans and conservatives, at least in the US.

All they have to do is cave on the abortion thing and stop being openly misogynistic.

They can still donate to pro-life groups privately. They can still log onto reddit and have all the disgusting porn they desire and write their hateful impotent comments on manosphere subs.

All they have to do is not be openly misogynistic. They could have basically the entire women’s vote. Democrats have abused and betrayed women so thoroughly.

But the brainless pornsick idiot entitled Republicans can’t even do that. They can’t even pretend not to hate women for five minutes. To get half the population for a vote.

They’re so homophobic. They’ll never stop being homophobic, misogynistic, and racist openly. Privately many are anti-Semitic.

[–] [Deleted] 6 points Edited

It's a matter of your personal hatred getting in the way of your end goal. They really can't see past their sexism, they need women to be oppressed utterly to the point of getting in their own way. But when you look at the men who make up the party and the voices of their loudest supporters, you're not shocked at the attitude they hold.

Why do they care about abortion?

We all know if they got ‘the wrong type of woman pregnant’ they’d be pro abortion for her anyway.

[–] ScissorHand 8 points Edited

You already answered yourself, because they are stupid.

My friend often jokes "if they aren't so racist they are going to get all the Hispanic vote".

Same for abortion here.

I'm still confused as to why they don't use any of the creepy shit TIMs do as fuel to burn down the gender revolution. There's a wealth of video on tiktok alone of TIMs jerking off in women's bathrooms. How is that not enough to garner voter support?

So many liberals that I know are proud to say “I don’t care about sports” - they think they’re above it, as though caring about sports is for a lower class or for someone less smart than them. I wish this could cause a mass peakening but I’m doubtful.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe 6 points Edited

The only thing that is going to solve this is a mass economic collapse. If we went back to the depression era times or got sovietized levels of mass corruption and people started to openly face breadlines....suddenly whether your sons and daughters are actually born with all parts working AND physically strong will be a form of status again. Sadly though a lot of people would suffer and die if it gets to that but I think its inevitable considering the way the economy is crumbling right now.

The pendulum is going to swing back really hard though and I worry about the types of fascism that will come from such a collapse.

The people that are saying that they don't care about sports are always insecure deep down. Insecure and ignorant. They think the only sport is the type that is mindless violence like football.

[–] [Deleted] 7 points Edited

you are unfortunately right. boutique identities that require expensive surgeries and lifelong maintenance will go out the window the minute it's no longer economically feasible. It's so sad, those with the most money and privilege throw it all away for no good reason, while millions of people go hungry and lack basics every day. I am also very worried about the pendulum swing. I can see it happening in real time. People are getting desperate to the point where they will vote in ANYONE who promise to save them.

[–] PGTips4Lyfe 5 points Edited

Boutique identities is a great way of putting it. Thanks for that. Yeah it could survive minimally as a form of luxury signaling/branding for the elite, but not nearly as popular-ly as it is now. It will go the way of the azalea lawns, white picket fence and jello-everything-food of the 50/60s which is totally fucking dead now, even for the boomers who grew up with that shit. It will disappear as a fad of useless wealth signaling for the vast majority who will return to liking utilitarian things for utilitarian sake especially in hard times. When wealth returns hard assets that are mobile like jewelry and furs, healthy bodies (like actual health), and luxury cars/yachts/mobile machinery that you can move your money around with too will be recentered again.

[–] Tq231442 Cervix owner 7 points

My husband managed to escape the hellscape that is Venezuela, only to come to Europe where things get more degenerate by the day. Of course, Europeans on the Internet and simpering Americans keep pretending that Europe is an amazing progressive paradise lol. We both agree we don't know where to run to anymore, nowhere is safe lol.

I don't think Europe is great. In fact I find many big cities to be dangerous in just the same way many of the ones here in the US are. Actually, I experienced more cat calling and street harassment in London, Rome, Berlin etc than I did ever in the US. Your men have problems imho. Not just immigrants either, its like a collective trashy male culture that doesn't know consequences exist. Maybe they don't for a lot of them?

I actually hated Amsterdam. Lol.

I like Iceland though. And Ukraine is amazingly safe. Austra and Germany was a mixed bag, but I really liked some of the small towns. Those places seem to have a collective pride and politeness and a somewhat notion that we need to work together as humans in order to survive? They are also insular, in that they won't tolerate bad behavior from visitors or immigrants. In Ukraine if a man was caught harassing women in public, the other men around would jump in and stop him. I saw one guy literally chased for groping a strange woman. Just my twoc.

[–] bellatrixbells No flair. 🙁 13 points

Personally what worries me a lot is I see a lot of men either whining that women sports aren't interesting or important or that the single purpose of women's sports is for them to be able to look at females' bodies. We all saw the disgusting comments being made when the handball uniform thing happened.

And that's scary : the fact that either men will celebrate the colonization of women's sports by TIMs as "finally, good women's sports" or fight against it because they want to be able to look at women as if it was porn. Can we win ?!?

In any case, we must not let TIMs take over. If they do and we have to create new spaces then they've succeeded in replacing us to an extent. They must be stopped before. And I think that wi happen.

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