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I saw this post on Leopard ate my face. The poster is a teen TIM or a stunted TIM.

https://archive.md/M78Wo

In the post, a woman is upset that the edgelords, on Tumblr in Action, aren't just anti trans they are misogynist basement dwellers. These men aren't our friends.

The people in the comments are wrong as always.

Some of the talking points include.

  • TERFs hate GNC women for not being womanly enough.
  • TERFs are misogynist themselves akin to right wing women talking heads.
  • TERFs reduce women to their bodily functions. So to say women have periods excludes TIMs but also menopausal women. But calling us menstruators was their idea.

Shout out to user/ another witch holding it down in the comments.

This is her(I'm assuming she's a woman) comment.

I actually do know the origin of TERFS, or at least I think I do. When I was in high school it was the tail end of the radical feminist era, so my original feminist training was radical.TERFS come from the school of radical feminism that believes that gender is 100% a social construct. In this belief system, there is no such thing as a person’s inner masculinity or femininity. There is only performance of gender, born of socialization and continued because of social detriments for those who failed to perform their gender and social benefits for those who perform their gender well. These performed genders are 100% about male privilege and female denigration. Gender as a concept overall is therefore 100% about female denigration. To suggest that genders “are” certain things or that a person can “be” a gender deep down in their own personal feelings just reinforces, for the TERF, the idea that women “are” less capable than men. It’s called “essentialism” and it’s a bad thing, in radical feminism, to say people “are” a gender rather than that they are merely performing it.Now add in to this an extremely high consciousness about any hint of men abusing their male privilege to put down women or take space away from women, even if the “men” in question are AMAB but in fact women and they aren’t actually trying to put down women they’re just trying to gain inclusion in women’s spaces.Those are the two reasons TERFS hate not just trans people, but really mostly trans women. They don’t believe trans women can have an “essential” womanhood, since gender is only socialization and performance. Which means within their worldview the only possible motivation for AMAB people to claim to be women is to continue to use their male privilege to invade female spaces.

She has a really good dialogue going.

P.S. I don't know how to archive. So if someone could archive this, I'll delete the original link.

I saw this post on Leopard ate my face. The poster is a teen TIM or a stunted TIM. https://archive.md/M78Wo In the post, a woman is upset that the edgelords, on Tumblr in Action, aren't just anti trans they are misogynist basement dwellers. These men aren't our friends. The people in the comments are wrong as always. Some of the talking points include. - TERFs hate GNC women for not being womanly enough. - TERFs are misogynist themselves akin to right wing women talking heads. - TERFs reduce women to their bodily functions. So to say women have periods excludes TIMs but also menopausal women. But calling us menstruators was their idea. Shout out to user/ another witch holding it down in the comments. This is her(I'm assuming she's a woman) comment. > I actually do know the origin of TERFS, or at least I think I do. When I was in high school it was the tail end of the radical feminist era, so my original feminist training was radical.TERFS come from the school of radical feminism that believes that gender is 100% a social construct. In this belief system, there is no such thing as a person’s inner masculinity or femininity. There is only performance of gender, born of socialization and continued because of social detriments for those who failed to perform their gender and social benefits for those who perform their gender well. These performed genders are 100% about male privilege and female denigration. Gender as a concept overall is therefore 100% about female denigration. To suggest that genders “are” certain things or that a person can “be” a gender deep down in their own personal feelings just reinforces, for the TERF, the idea that women “are” less capable than men. It’s called “essentialism” and it’s a bad thing, in radical feminism, to say people “are” a gender rather than that they are merely performing it.Now add in to this an extremely high consciousness about any hint of men abusing their male privilege to put down women or take space away from women, even if the “men” in question are AMAB but in fact women and they aren’t actually trying to put down women they’re just trying to gain inclusion in women’s spaces.Those are the two reasons TERFS hate not just trans people, but really mostly trans women. They don’t believe trans women can have an “essential” womanhood, since gender is only socialization and performance. Which means within their worldview the only possible motivation for AMAB people to claim to be women is to continue to use their male privilege to invade female spaces. She has a really good dialogue going. P.S. I don't know how to archive. So if someone could archive this, I'll delete the original link.

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[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 39 points

they aren’t actually trying to put down women they’re just trying to gain inclusion in women’s spaces.

Why do males need access to women's spaces? Why would a grown man need to be included in women's sports or access a women's rape shelter? Men's sports are already accessible to men who identify as women. We have no experiences in common and this is demonstrated by transgender males and their handmaidens insisting over and over that we shut up or change how we speak about women's experiences. If transgender males were women, they'd be included by default. When "white feminists" talk about menstruation, or abortion, or pregnancy, or rape, I'm included as a black woman, and so is every other color of woman.

If they aren't trying to put us down why do they threaten us? Why do trans males rape and kill lesbians? Why do they get us fired from our jobs? Why do transgender males rape transgender females like Eli Erlick (allegedly) did? Why do they insult us, our bodies, our sexualities, our struggles? Why do transgender males behave interpersonally and politically identically to other males? I call bullshit sis.

Why do males need access to women's spaces? Why would a grown man need to be included in women's sports or access a women's rape shelter?

Because innate gender identity is female. I keep harping on here about this but this is exactly why we cannot allow the pronouns thing. All men are HE all women are SHE, no mixing. No honorary women. As soon as you buy that some men can be "she" to "be nice" or whatever...you've sold the farm. Now instead of arguing for women's spaces for women only, you are forced to concede that women's spaces are for women and some special men who are women. The debate instead becomes WHICH men are allowed, rather than NO MEN should ever be allowed.

[+] [Deleted] 34 points

TiA has been noticeably more anti-radfem than usual. Every couple of posts there's something mocking radfems now when they're really either talking about libfems or getting feefees hurt that NAMALT wasn't explicitly stated.

I feel like I'm losing my mind so often. There's such a hugely disproportionate amount of people villanizing us from the other side that a lot of times it really does feel like I'm the bigot for not understanding. Surely if so many people are going with it, I'm the one who has a problem? Then I look at transwidows and detransitioners and trans kids and the teenagers who have lost themselves to unnecessary surgeries and I get my bearings again. But... jesus christ. It's constant gaslighting every day.

I finally experienced first hand losing some friends due to coming out GC and it fucking sucks even if it was expected.

TiA has been noticeably more anti-radfem than usual. Every couple of posts there's something mocking radfems now when they're really either talking about libfems or getting feefees hurt that NAMALT wasn't explicitly stated.

Don't feel bad. They're a bunch of dumb males who don't understand the difference between libfems and radfems and hate women in general. They aren't worth the energy it takes to care.

I feel like I'm losing my mind so often. There's such a hugely disproportionate amount of people villanizing us from the other side that a lot of times it really does feel like I'm the bigot for not understanding.

We are not wrong about genderism. It is a sexist, homophobic ideology that is actively harming women and children. The people who can't see that are delusional and completely absorbed in their little bubbles, echo chambers, and narrow views of the world. They don't have the empathy and/or the intellect to examine what's happening critically and come to the conclusion we have, so they will stay in the mud with the other degenerates and never crawl from the sludge and walk upright.

That is not our fault. They want to be willfully ignorant and hate on women (radfems) for unapologetically acknowledging men's shitty behavior (yeah, it's ALL MEN), wanting to be treated like people, and wanting to not have our human rights taken away. THEY are the bad guys, whether they see it or not.

[–] Gini 🌸 Ad meliora 🦕 10 points

Ofcourse it has because some of us have decided to use it like r/gendercritical and flood that sub with trans posts. The regulars are pissed their sub is overtaken. We should know how that feels and chill a bit tbh.

TIA is not a radfem forum. It's a forum for lots of different people who want to mock internet lunacy of ALL kinds.

I downvote the anti-rad feminist comments and upvote anyone posting rad fem stuff. I also down vote the shit out of anyone who comes on their spouting their gender religion. I comment a lot too.

I feel like villianizing "TERFs" is a safe thing for them to do from the perspective of trying to avoid getting censored by Reddit. Reddit admins have shown that being pro radfem and gender critical WILL get subreddits shut down. However, subs that are just general internet edgelords seem to be allowed to make fun of trans people, as long as they make fun of women as well. If too many radfems show up to comment on the same trans people they're making fun of, that could result in them getting shut down. So make sure to insult women and feminists too, because it cannot be a welcoming environment to women or it will get shut down.

Idk that's my opinion on it anyway.

[–] Ave_Lucifuge gender atheist 26 points Edited

TiA is one of the last big conservative "cringe" strongholds on Reddit, I don't think there's any denying that. And if you somehow miss it, it will become clear enough when you see the 10th "white men are actually victims" post. Lilith help you if you post anything that isn't 100% pro white male Christian (although the compassion for gay people I've seen there has admittedly been surprising).

That leopards post can kiss my ass though. I would 100% feel safer around the standard conservative man than I would a lingerie wearing coomer. They're both raging misogynists, but at least I know Ben Shapiro jr (probably) won't try and befriend me, and then attempt to harvest my organs when they find out I'm GC. There's leopards all around, and liberal men pretending they're better than the rest is a laugh. If you're not GC, you're no friend to women, dudes. Go and pat yourselves on the back somewhere else.

[–] notyourfetish 15 points Edited

TERFs hate GNC women for not being womanly enough.

And yet, Ovarit is full of GNC "TERFs" who were bullied by crazed trans activists and "transwomen" for saying that we are not trans just because we don't dress according to some sexist stereotypes.

TERFs are misogynist themselves akin to right wing women talking heads.

And yet, here I am, a left-leaning black feminist, who does not hate other women, supports and protects other women, and oh yeah, has been labeled a "TERF" for standing up against the inherent sexism of genderism.

TERFs reduce women to their bodily functions. So to say women have periods excludes TIMs but also menopausal women. But calling us menstruators was their idea.

AND YET, no "TERF" has ever "reduced women to our body parts." We acknowledge the reality that ONLY WOMEN can menustrate, which is different from saying ALL WOMEN menustrate. The acknowledgment of fucking reality excludes no one except men, which makes perfect sense because TRANSWOMEN ARE MEN.

We also did not come up with referring to women as body parts. That is something trans activists and gender crazies did by referring to women as "birthing people" and "uterus havers" and shit. Stop spreading lies.

As is usual, people are ignorant AF and have no idea what's going on, but still find it in them to be enraged about something they don't even understand.

We're either man-hating unshaved old ugly dykes or we hate GNC women. We can't do both.

Life is way, way too short and far too precious to read that garbage. It's interesting for a few minutes to see how wrong they are about us and about biology and about why we want to keep men out of women's spaces, i.e. it's just transphobia and we're old witches who will be dead soon anyway. But then my lizard brain starts meditating ways of dismembering them and I realize I have to stop.

I think it's a prime example of groupthink. When people read the comment by another witch, they actually agreed with it.

Some people realized they were just going along with groupthink and didn't know anything about rad gems or why Rad fems might feel the way they do.

When presented with a explanation it was like a lightbulb went off.

Hmm. That is interesting.

I really am tired of seeing radfems villainized. I think I've gotten sensitive to it because it happens so much. I get mad at the women on here who do it too, even though they don't mean harm or know any better.

Yes, I was really impressed by the ability of the woman quoted by OP to stand the heat and argue a case in the face of this massive wall of abuse and ignorance. I know I should do it more, learn by doing. I've been banned by three trans reddits so far and I don't trust myself.

Pardon me. I'm loving the typo "rad gems"

Oh, all you radfems are such gems.

Lol. Yes. This is now what we're calling ourselves. I have declared it! 😄

I'm convinced all the scrotes on that subreddit are one second away from transing themselves tbh

[–] EllaRoxy 5 points Edited

Here's how I used TiA and Social Justice in action:

  1. Comment anywhere I can that biology is real and to leave lesbians the fuck alone.
  2. Support other radfems on there and there a lot of them depending on the post. I'm working my way up in my points here so I can message other women with ovarit codes. That is only after a through investigation of their posting history obviously.
  3. I love watching smart radfems argue with the edgelords. It's funny.
  4. I enjoy downvoting the gender cult when they come on there.

I think it would blow a lot of people's mind if they knew I was gender crictical but I'm not gender non conforming. See I don't think radfems come in only one variety. That would be like saying there is only one kind of lesbian. The key, in my mind, is to support each other. I don't give a flying fuck if someone is into make up, dresses etc. Me being into them doesn't change my views about the gender cult one bit.

[–] Gini 🌸 Ad meliora 🦕 3 points

TumblrInaction is NOT a radfem sub. It's a sub to mock stupid people of the internet so yea there are MRA's and incels there but also all sorts of other people. We don't like it when we are painted as right wing group so how about we don't do the same thing to others. Sure there are conservatives there but there are also a lot of liberals.

Also people should chill a bit on the trans posts there and stick to the most important and crazy things.

I'm not saying misogyny is ok, but ive seen quite a few comments being misandrists from radfems that post there too. So how about we respect that last sub where we can talk freely and acknowledge that and not go the TRA route with other communities.

Fucking hell, misandry isn't real and I can't take seriously anyone who complains about it

[–] Gini 🌸 Ad meliora 🦕 0 points

There are plenty of women with a serious contempt off men stop being so disingenuous. It's like saying you can't be racist to white people.

It's not proportionally the same but it still exists nonetheless.

I'll care when women's hatred of men actually leads to any real problems like anti-male violence.

So I'll never care, basically.

Ya I agree. Radfems also have their own version of TIA post worthy material occasionally. Even if they aren't perfectly (or closely) aligned with radfem values why reject the one sub willing to also point out the extremes of TRA. The more people willing to become gender critical and quesion the validity of topics like men in women's prison the better. I would also say the majority of users in TIA do a very good job of pointing out radfems support gnc women and men.

I'm sorry, are we supposed to respect and protect spaces for men who hate us now? Can't we just take advantage of the space while it exists? It's on the way out and it actually benefits us to see Reddit forced to crack down and make their stance clear. It's not just women Reddit are coming after now. They've come for the women's subs, y'all did shit. It's not going to end until the entire site is trans dominated.

[–] Gini 🌸 Ad meliora 🦕 1 points

Yes because frankly I thought we were better than TRA behaviour.

And I've done plenty online to spread awareness on several social media platforms thanks.

[–] BogHag 0 points Edited

It's a public site for mocking people online. This isn't an invasion of women's spaces by their oppressor group. This is women existing on a subreddit that intersects with their own frustrations. The absolute drama of this sentiment, good lord. I'm not going to shed a tear for the cringelord redditors who feel they've lost some bastion of their antifeminist culture when women's free speech has been run off the whole damn site.

[–] BlackCirce 🔮🐖🐖🐖 1 points

It’s not good to associate winning with your enemy and make losing a virtue

[–] Gini 🌸 Ad meliora 🦕 0 points

I don't even know what you mean with that. No where did I talk about playing a game where we win or lose.