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It's illegal to discriminate against people based on their gender identity, we're seeing more and more laws (and lawsuits) popping up confirming this.

Now this is not a hypothetical, I genuinely would like to have laser hair removal and potentially some specific surgeries done to correct things that, I guess could be argued, would make me more "feminine".

If I am denied based on the idea that I'm not a transwoman, isn't that discrimination based on gender identity?

Can we swamp gender identity clinics with """cis""" female requests? What is our legal status?
It's illegal to discriminate against people based on their gender identity, we're seeing more and more laws (and lawsuits) popping up confirming this. Now this is not a hypothetical, I genuinely would like to have laser hair removal and potentially some specific surgeries done to correct things that, I guess could be argued, would make me more "feminine". If I am denied based on the idea that I'm not a transwoman, isn't that discrimination based on gender identity? Can we swamp gender identity clinics with """cis""" female requests? What is our legal status?

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[–] Cantstopthemachine77 1 points Edited

I was just thinking about this. Maybe you could say you are non-binary or gender fluid and have body hair dysphoria? Non binary styles and surgeries for women are always masculine or “de-femnizing” but I don’t see any reason, by their own logic, that it couldn’t also include enhancing “femininity”. A NB identity is whatever an NB person wants it to be, right?

Also, could a naturally masculine looking woman claim gender dysphoria, and receive free surgeries?

[–] fightlikeagirl 42 points

I've genuinely been curious about this. If you legally transition to male, can you transition to female and get those procedures covered? Can women who identify as non-binary get them? Seems pretty unfair to hand out tens of thousands of dollars of cosmetic surgeries to everyone but actual natal women.
[–] serfnterf [OP] 32 points Edited

Yeah same, I asked out of curiosity and not as a gotcha.

If there's no material difference between how a natal woman and a transwoman's brains are structured (and this categorization is written into law), and sex is fluid with a million different variations, how is it fair to cover feminizing procedures for transwomen but not natal women?

Doesn't that imply that natal women are more feminine by default? Or are they saying that natal women should just have to deal with having nonconventional secondary sex characteristics?

How about all those natal women they love to say are constantly misgendered as men outside of women's washrooms, or women who don't know their chromosomes?

Do trans people have to get a chromosome test before getting their surgeries approved, since there's no way of knowing what sex someone is by looking at them? Couldn't all these transwomen actually be natal women and therefore potentially not qualify for any of these surgeries?
[–] Carthimundia 7 points

So it's a mainstream part of trans theory that you can get gender dysphoria if your gender identity doesn't 'match' the outside. So a "transwoman" with a beard is going to be distressed by the fact his gender identity and appearance don't match. But it should therefore follow that women also get gender dysphoria, because it is surely distressing when our gender identity isn't validated by our bodies as well. So a woman should be just as entailed to get hair removal as a TIM, because both have a mismatch between their gender identity and their bodies, and both have dysphoria. If you say that real women have to suck it up that seems really discriminatory, and if you say that real women don't get dysphoria from beards etc, then why do TIMS, if they are real women, get dysphoria from perfectly natural female features? of course, under this ideology women cannot win EVER, so if women start to adduce trans theory to get some kind of benefit it will be shut down quickly. But as it stands there is no logical reason why TIMS get cosmetic surgery and women don't.
[–] Tq231442 Cervix owner 19 points

I demand a BBL to identify as Kim Kardashian. Pay up, bigots.
[–] Livin 19 points Edited

Well if anyone and everyone can self-ID, and self-ID is legalized, then I don't see why women should be denied plastic surgery. If gender is based on an internal feeling, then biological women should have the same right to say that they need various surgeries and procedures to affirm their gender identity as women. Since not having those surgeries and procedures would contribute to their gender dysphoria and make them feel like they are manly and therefore make them feel like they are men.

[–] serfnterf [OP] 16 points

Please pass it on to any and all natal women who'd like to get plastic surgery. I'm going to test my own luck with it.
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[–] [Deleted] 18 points

As our transwomen overlords have so graciously shown us, real women have F cup breasts. As a woman with C cups, I should have my boob job done for free so that I can end my gender dysphoria and be as feminine and womanly as beautiful transwomen.

Oh, and my feminising nose job should be covered by the NHS as well.
[–] serfnterf [OP] 13 points

Personally, I think women have big burly beards.

I want to be able to get hair implants on my chin to look like the beautiful Jessica Yaniv.
[–] StayoffmyTERF 7 points

I can donate my boobs to you if you would like. My DDDs are preventing me from identifying as a dainty ballerina
[–] [Deleted] 22 points

I don’t know where you’re based, but in the UK I’ve seen people get cosmetic surgery on the NHS because they went down the ‘appearance affects mental health’ routes, and in some legitimate cases it is probably true.

Boob jobs are a popular one
[–] serfnterf [OP] 12 points

I'm not in the UK, are those surgeries fully subsidized then?
[–] [Deleted] 15 points Edited

Yeah, one of the benefits of universal health care.

At one point a disabled man was getting money to pay for prostitutes from the NHS.
[–] [Deleted] 23 points

When I was on Disability for almost a year, it wouldn’t cover half my medication, wouldn’t cover my physio and, if I hadn’t been living with my husband, not anywhere near enough to cover rent, let alone other expenses. I’m in Canada.

But dudes can get funds to rape women if they’re disabled 🥴
[–] serfnterf [OP] 9 points

Oh we have universal health care where I'm at, just haven't heard any plastic surgery being fully subsidized yet if it isn't for the precious trans.

Maybe I can test it.
[–] [Deleted] 4 points

in the UK, are those surgeries fully subsidized then?

Yeah, one of the benefits of universal health care.

Really? I've not heard of that. Seems particularly unlikely in the current state of the NHS, with waiting lists for essential procedures at record levels. I've been on a waiting list for two years now for something non-urgent but medically necessary (not related at all to my gender identity or lack thereof).

[–] womeninlove 7 points

I've always thought it was clear sex discrimination and that someone should file a suit to set the precedent.

[–] Tomyris 6 points

This, OP if you have the fortitude to pursue this I hope you do and would cheer you on. This is exactly the type of lawsuit that needs to happen, the lawsuits will really highlight the hypocrisy and show how unsustainable gender-nonsense is.

Plus, will be a nice point of comparison to the gay rights movement which notably has not spawned a million ridiculous lawsuits.
[–] [Deleted] 13 points

I think you should try it - what an important historical precedent that would set!
[–] serfnterf [OP] 10 points

After millennia of being oppressed, of being ignored in favor of transwomen, we will finally take what's ours.
[–] zuubat 2 points Edited

I've got an Adam's apple and a strange, angular jaw. Never bothered me much, but if I could get that and the permanent frown lines "done" by somebody who's good, Fuck Yeah let 'em take a couple decades off my age. Not to mention the 25 pounds that showed up, little by little, over those same two decades.

But it's gotta be somebody good. Whoever does Jane Fonda and Oprah. Not the butcher who destroyed Donatella Versace.
[–] ghoul2 3 points

I am waiting for this line of thought to be a push to legitimize bimbofication at this point :/
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