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If the transgender movement had drawn clear lines in the sand, that they were not willing to cross:

  • no one is forced to use certain pronouns for transgendered people
  • the words men and women clearly assigned based on sex
  • no medicalisation whatsoever of minors
  • protection of women only spaces/categories (shelters, changing rooms, sports, prisons,...)
  • no changing of sex on legal documents
  • chosing medical transition as a last resort
  • accepting that hetero/homosexuality are clearly linked to sex and not gender (while of course sexual attraction based on gender expression would not be discriminated against either)

While at the same time they would be very actively promoting acceptance of transgender identity in society. Working for protections of trans people, representation of trans people, mental health support, ...

Where would you be on the trans issue then?

I personally would definitely be an active supporter. Particularly because I would see it as a movement that is helpful in weakening gender restrictions, which I would love.

If the transgender movement had drawn clear lines in the sand, that they were not willing to cross: - no one is forced to use certain pronouns for transgendered people - the words men and women clearly assigned based on sex - no medicalisation whatsoever of minors - protection of women only spaces/categories (shelters, changing rooms, sports, prisons,...) - no changing of sex on legal documents - chosing medical transition as a last resort - accepting that hetero/homosexuality are clearly linked to sex and not gender (while of course sexual attraction based on gender expression would not be discriminated against either) While at the same time they would be very actively promoting acceptance of transgender identity in society. Working for protections of trans people, representation of trans people, mental health support, ... **Where would you be on the trans issue then?** I personally would definitely be an active supporter. Particularly because I would see it as a movement that is helpful in weakening gender restrictions, which I would love.

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I agree, I think this is really only a hypothetical exercise. What is happening now has always been unavoidable. If it was only people trying to escape gender stereotypes this might have been possible, but of course AGP is something entirely different. They are the kind of people that definitely will take everything and kick you out of the town, if you dare to let them cross even the smallest boundary.

Unfortunately the great majority of trans supporters (especially women) are still stuck in this hypothetical exercise and don't realize that the reality of who those trans women are just doesn't measure up to their harmonic utopia in their heads.

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I also believe trans and BDSM/kink sex pozzy go hand in hand. They both rose in popularity at the same time, and attitudes towards women became hostile after we had a small period of relief(very small). The law started reflecting this by having rape cases being less successful, by having accidental choking be an excuse for murder etc. And then it moves onto porn, rice in trafficking, rise in violence and batterings. To what we have now, removal of rights under TQ liberals and removal of rights under alt right conservatives. This shit is so deliberate and it goes hand in hand with each other.