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If the transgender movement had drawn clear lines in the sand, that they were not willing to cross:

  • no one is forced to use certain pronouns for transgendered people
  • the words men and women clearly assigned based on sex
  • no medicalisation whatsoever of minors
  • protection of women only spaces/categories (shelters, changing rooms, sports, prisons,...)
  • no changing of sex on legal documents
  • chosing medical transition as a last resort
  • accepting that hetero/homosexuality are clearly linked to sex and not gender (while of course sexual attraction based on gender expression would not be discriminated against either)

While at the same time they would be very actively promoting acceptance of transgender identity in society. Working for protections of trans people, representation of trans people, mental health support, ...

Where would you be on the trans issue then?

I personally would definitely be an active supporter. Particularly because I would see it as a movement that is helpful in weakening gender restrictions, which I would love.

If the transgender movement had drawn clear lines in the sand, that they were not willing to cross: - no one is forced to use certain pronouns for transgendered people - the words men and women clearly assigned based on sex - no medicalisation whatsoever of minors - protection of women only spaces/categories (shelters, changing rooms, sports, prisons,...) - no changing of sex on legal documents - chosing medical transition as a last resort - accepting that hetero/homosexuality are clearly linked to sex and not gender (while of course sexual attraction based on gender expression would not be discriminated against either) While at the same time they would be very actively promoting acceptance of transgender identity in society. Working for protections of trans people, representation of trans people, mental health support, ... **Where would you be on the trans issue then?** I personally would definitely be an active supporter. Particularly because I would see it as a movement that is helpful in weakening gender restrictions, which I would love.

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I don't care if men want to wear dresses, makeup, long hair/wigs. And I don't care if they want to pretend they are women - in their private lives with willing participants who play along with the make-believe pronouns and the larp as "women".

I was with you at some point, but I'm not anymore. I'd be ok dresses, makeup and wigs if they weren't exclusively culturally associated with the female sex, but they are.

If some white guy walked around with blackface on, or even just put it on in the privacy of his own home after work, there would obviously be something wrong with him and you'd have to wonder where that behaviour is coming from...and what it is leading to.

This is so clear when we're talking about something that can affect males. Why do we lose sight of how wrong it is when we're talking about something that can only affect women?

You can't wear characteristics that have been the basis of oppression for centuries as a costume, for fun and kicks. You can't. It's just not OK.

Part of radical feminism's goal is to abolish gender/gender roles as an entire concept. Gatekeeping traditionally feminine clothing is hardly productive to that point. Transsexuality and blackface have parallels but not the simple act of wearing a dress.