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Take a look at this thread in r/asktransgender that I have archived:

How common is forced femininization “fetish” prior to acceptance and transition?

Here’s the OP.

TLDR; basically what it says in the title, had this prior to coming out and transitioning. Full story: As I have come out and started transitioning more old memories have started coming up so I have been writing them down. So I was thinking about signs when I was younger (to which there was many lol). So I was thinking about how from when I was about 12-13 I learned about forced femininization and ever since then to me coming out and transitioning I wished someone would kidnap me and “forced” me to be a girl, and being “force” fed hormones. Obviously this was my brain trying to make sense of what I was feeling, just wondering how common this is for transfems?

There are over 100 comments to this thread, and almost all affirm that it’s a ridiculously common fetish among TW. Most of the respondents opine that having this fetish made them realize they were trans. None of them are trying to hide their fetishtistic motivations for calling themselves women, which you typically see in TW who want to distance themselves from AGP. So I’m kind of amazed to see them letting all of this hang out, and I’m wondering if they walked into a trap by confirming everything TERFs have been claiming about them from day 1.

From the first comment:

Julia Serrano talks about it in her book 'Whipping Girl'. When you realised that you were trans and wanted to be a girl you probably felt guilt / shame about what you wanted. If your feminisation was 'forced' then you would get what you wanted without the guilt / shame associated.

Interesting. So why don’t we see trans men talking about forced masculinization fetishes? If it’s run of the mill shame we would expect to this, but it only seems to be trans women that have this ideation.

i know this sounds crazy but hear me out: could it be that the misogynistic ideas that transwomen hold in their heads about femininity be creating a fetishized fixation with sissification, which means there is no analogue in trans men because masculinity isnt associated with sexualized submissiveness and objectification? I kind of feel like this theory has some truth to it.

Testosterone often sexualises feelings of gender euphoria as well so you can wind up with a fetish if you repress your transness long enough. All the fetish thoughts tend to disappear when you've started transition and been on hrt a while though. At least they did for me.

Testosterone causes sexualized feelings that makes you end up with a fetish. Okay, cool. So what are we supposed to make of trans women who have high levels of testosterone in their systems? When they go into the locker room and all that T starts giving them euphoria boners, are women supposed to just…not care about this? Are we supposed to pretend that this isn’t a fetish when all of y’all are admitting that this exactly what this is? Like, WTF?

Take a look at this thread in r/asktransgender that I have archived: [How common is forced femininization “fetish” prior to acceptance and transition?](https://archive.md/lSTTe) Here’s the OP. > TLDR; basically what it says in the title, had this prior to coming out and transitioning. >Full story: As I have come out and started transitioning more old memories have started coming up so I have been writing them down. So I was thinking about signs when I was younger (to which there was many lol). >So I was thinking about how from when I was about 12-13 I learned about forced femininization and ever since then to me coming out and transitioning I wished someone would kidnap me and “forced” me to be a girl, and being “force” fed hormones. >Obviously this was my brain trying to make sense of what I was feeling, just wondering how common this is for transfems? There are over 100 comments to this thread, and almost all affirm that it’s a ridiculously common fetish among TW. Most of the respondents opine that having this fetish made them realize they were trans. None of them are trying to hide their fetishtistic motivations for calling themselves women, which you typically see in TW who want to distance themselves from AGP. So I’m kind of amazed to see them letting all of this hang out, and I’m wondering if they walked into a trap by *confirming everything TERFs have been claiming about them from day 1*. From the first comment: > Julia Serrano talks about it in her book 'Whipping Girl'. When you realised that you were trans and wanted to be a girl you probably felt guilt / shame about what you wanted. If your feminisation was 'forced' then you would get what you wanted without the guilt / shame associated. Interesting. So why don’t we see trans men talking about forced masculinization fetishes? If it’s run of the mill shame we would expect to this, but it only seems to be trans women that have this ideation. i know this sounds crazy but hear me out: could it be that the misogynistic ideas that transwomen hold in their heads about femininity be creating a fetishized fixation with sissification, which means there is no analogue in trans men because masculinity isnt associated with sexualized submissiveness and objectification? I kind of feel like this theory has some truth to it. > Testosterone often sexualises feelings of gender euphoria as well so you can wind up with a fetish if you repress your transness long enough. All the fetish thoughts tend to disappear when you've started transition and been on hrt a while though. At least they did for me. Testosterone causes sexualized feelings that makes you end up with a fetish. Okay, cool. So what are we supposed to make of trans women who have high levels of testosterone in their systems? When they go into the locker room and all that T starts giving them euphoria boners, are women supposed to just…not care about this? Are we supposed to pretend that this *isn’t* a fetish when all of y’all are admitting that this exactly what this is? Like, WTF?

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None of them are trying to hide their fetishtistic motivations for calling themselves women, which you typically see in TW who want to distance themselves from AGP. So I’m kind of amazed to see them letting all of this hang out, and I’m wondering if they walked into a trap by confirming everything TERFs have been claiming about them from day 1.

I think a lot of them are deeply delusional or very in denial that their "woman feelings" are basically just twisted perversion. So they pretend their AGP is some kind of valid identity and that they're an oppressed minority (which also shows how homophobic they are, because that's how they view gay people, as sexual deviants or something).

But they're not an oppressed minority. They are just straight men who have destroyed their sexuality with porn. And rather than acknowledge what they've done to themselves, they'd rather live in denial while telling themselves they must have some sort of "identity."

To convince people they have this "identity," they lurk and spy, study feminine women's mannerisms to copy them, and read the things that actual minorities say online, and then they copy us verbatim to convince themselves (not just everyone else) that they really are this poor widdle minority who is in danger constantly, etc.

They are basically mentally unstable, dangerous men.

Testosterone causes sexualized feelings that makes you end up with a fetish. Okay, cool. So what are we supposed to make of trans women who have high levels of testosterone in their systems? When they go into the locker room and all that T starts giving them euphoria boners, are women supposed to just…not care about this? Are we supposed to pretend that this isn’t a fetish when all of y’all are admitting that this exactly what this is? Like, WTF?

That he actually thinks "transitioning" makes the "fetish feelings" stop is insane. If that were true, then why are so many "transwomen" with bottom surgery still harassing the shit out of lesbians?

I've never observed a TIM who transitioned and suddenly decided that lesbians were people and that our sexuality should be respected. Instead, they just continue in the same male mode, demanding sex from women who aren't attracted to them and calling us bigots and killing us when we say no.