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Take a look at this thread in r/asktransgender that I have archived:

How common is forced femininization “fetish” prior to acceptance and transition?

Here’s the OP.

TLDR; basically what it says in the title, had this prior to coming out and transitioning. Full story: As I have come out and started transitioning more old memories have started coming up so I have been writing them down. So I was thinking about signs when I was younger (to which there was many lol). So I was thinking about how from when I was about 12-13 I learned about forced femininization and ever since then to me coming out and transitioning I wished someone would kidnap me and “forced” me to be a girl, and being “force” fed hormones. Obviously this was my brain trying to make sense of what I was feeling, just wondering how common this is for transfems?

There are over 100 comments to this thread, and almost all affirm that it’s a ridiculously common fetish among TW. Most of the respondents opine that having this fetish made them realize they were trans. None of them are trying to hide their fetishtistic motivations for calling themselves women, which you typically see in TW who want to distance themselves from AGP. So I’m kind of amazed to see them letting all of this hang out, and I’m wondering if they walked into a trap by confirming everything TERFs have been claiming about them from day 1.

From the first comment:

Julia Serrano talks about it in her book 'Whipping Girl'. When you realised that you were trans and wanted to be a girl you probably felt guilt / shame about what you wanted. If your feminisation was 'forced' then you would get what you wanted without the guilt / shame associated.

Interesting. So why don’t we see trans men talking about forced masculinization fetishes? If it’s run of the mill shame we would expect to this, but it only seems to be trans women that have this ideation.

i know this sounds crazy but hear me out: could it be that the misogynistic ideas that transwomen hold in their heads about femininity be creating a fetishized fixation with sissification, which means there is no analogue in trans men because masculinity isnt associated with sexualized submissiveness and objectification? I kind of feel like this theory has some truth to it.

Testosterone often sexualises feelings of gender euphoria as well so you can wind up with a fetish if you repress your transness long enough. All the fetish thoughts tend to disappear when you've started transition and been on hrt a while though. At least they did for me.

Testosterone causes sexualized feelings that makes you end up with a fetish. Okay, cool. So what are we supposed to make of trans women who have high levels of testosterone in their systems? When they go into the locker room and all that T starts giving them euphoria boners, are women supposed to just…not care about this? Are we supposed to pretend that this isn’t a fetish when all of y’all are admitting that this exactly what this is? Like, WTF?

Take a look at this thread in r/asktransgender that I have archived: [How common is forced femininization “fetish” prior to acceptance and transition?](https://archive.md/lSTTe) Here’s the OP. > TLDR; basically what it says in the title, had this prior to coming out and transitioning. >Full story: As I have come out and started transitioning more old memories have started coming up so I have been writing them down. So I was thinking about signs when I was younger (to which there was many lol). >So I was thinking about how from when I was about 12-13 I learned about forced femininization and ever since then to me coming out and transitioning I wished someone would kidnap me and “forced” me to be a girl, and being “force” fed hormones. >Obviously this was my brain trying to make sense of what I was feeling, just wondering how common this is for transfems? There are over 100 comments to this thread, and almost all affirm that it’s a ridiculously common fetish among TW. Most of the respondents opine that having this fetish made them realize they were trans. None of them are trying to hide their fetishtistic motivations for calling themselves women, which you typically see in TW who want to distance themselves from AGP. So I’m kind of amazed to see them letting all of this hang out, and I’m wondering if they walked into a trap by *confirming everything TERFs have been claiming about them from day 1*. From the first comment: > Julia Serrano talks about it in her book 'Whipping Girl'. When you realised that you were trans and wanted to be a girl you probably felt guilt / shame about what you wanted. If your feminisation was 'forced' then you would get what you wanted without the guilt / shame associated. Interesting. So why don’t we see trans men talking about forced masculinization fetishes? If it’s run of the mill shame we would expect to this, but it only seems to be trans women that have this ideation. i know this sounds crazy but hear me out: could it be that the misogynistic ideas that transwomen hold in their heads about femininity be creating a fetishized fixation with sissification, which means there is no analogue in trans men because masculinity isnt associated with sexualized submissiveness and objectification? I kind of feel like this theory has some truth to it. > Testosterone often sexualises feelings of gender euphoria as well so you can wind up with a fetish if you repress your transness long enough. All the fetish thoughts tend to disappear when you've started transition and been on hrt a while though. At least they did for me. Testosterone causes sexualized feelings that makes you end up with a fetish. Okay, cool. So what are we supposed to make of trans women who have high levels of testosterone in their systems? When they go into the locker room and all that T starts giving them euphoria boners, are women supposed to just…not care about this? Are we supposed to pretend that this *isn’t* a fetish when all of y’all are admitting that this exactly what this is? Like, WTF?

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Testosterone often sexualises feelings of gender euphoria

Ok, by this logic, do TIF get a cargo short fetish after shooting testosterone for a while?

[–] goodyusername Team Terflair 0 points

Seems like a lot them talk about the increased horniness after starting testosterone, so yes.

Horniness - definitely, but I wonder if they start developing new fetishes too.

It's so common that it was included in the 1980 DSM-III medical classification of Transvestism: https://i.imgur.com/iADj4Ln.png

Predisposing factors. According to the folklore of individuals with this condition, a "petticoat punishment," the punishment of humiliating a boy by dressing him in the clothes of a girl, is common in the history of individuals who later develop this disorder.

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[–] bellatrixbells BoobatrixRex 5 points

"which means there is no analogue in trans men because masculinity isnt associated with sexualized submissiveness and objectification? I kind of feel like this theory has some truth to it."

It does, especially since the fetishization mostly happens regarding effeminate gay men. (Yaoi ?)

[–] WorriedMama86 11 points Edited

I remember seeing a Reddit post among us radical feminists where some guy (from a Hispanic country, I think) was talking about how his parents forced him to commence gender transition because he was attracted to other males, despite only tolerating it for a single year. It seemed to have really elicited our sympathies, but from the start I've always been skeptical of the chance that this might have been a TIM pulling our strings. Forced feminization, after all, is a common TIM fetish, and the guy even uploaded an image of himself (with his face obscured) in feminine clothes and a rather provocative posture.

None of them are trying to hide their fetishtistic motivations for calling themselves women, which you typically see in TW who want to distance themselves from AGP. So I’m kind of amazed to see them letting all of this hang out, and I’m wondering if they walked into a trap by confirming everything TERFs have been claiming about them from day 1.

I think a lot of them are deeply delusional or very in denial that their "woman feelings" are basically just twisted perversion. So they pretend their AGP is some kind of valid identity and that they're an oppressed minority (which also shows how homophobic they are, because that's how they view gay people, as sexual deviants or something).

But they're not an oppressed minority. They are just straight men who have destroyed their sexuality with porn. And rather than acknowledge what they've done to themselves, they'd rather live in denial while telling themselves they must have some sort of "identity."

To convince people they have this "identity," they lurk and spy, study feminine women's mannerisms to copy them, and read the things that actual minorities say online, and then they copy us verbatim to convince themselves (not just everyone else) that they really are this poor widdle minority who is in danger constantly, etc.

They are basically mentally unstable, dangerous men.

Testosterone causes sexualized feelings that makes you end up with a fetish. Okay, cool. So what are we supposed to make of trans women who have high levels of testosterone in their systems? When they go into the locker room and all that T starts giving them euphoria boners, are women supposed to just…not care about this? Are we supposed to pretend that this isn’t a fetish when all of y’all are admitting that this exactly what this is? Like, WTF?

That he actually thinks "transitioning" makes the "fetish feelings" stop is insane. If that were true, then why are so many "transwomen" with bottom surgery still harassing the shit out of lesbians?

I've never observed a TIM who transitioned and suddenly decided that lesbians were people and that our sexuality should be respected. Instead, they just continue in the same male mode, demanding sex from women who aren't attracted to them and calling us bigots and killing us when we say no.

Seems like their political and social power must be going to their heads because why else would they just openly admit that most of their transition efforts are informed by a fetish?

It is fair to say that if the broader public catches on, this is not a good look for them, yet they apparently have no problem saying the quiet part out loud anymore. My only conclusion to this is that they are so drunk with power/narcissism (and a sizable pinch of delusion) that they think they can get away with literally anything. And honestly, based on the latest headlines, they are probably making the correct calculation.

I dunno, I see it as a bonehead calculation. AGP is a ship sinker for trans women and I can’t see that changing any time soon. The only thing saving them right now is the difficulty in getting clueless normies to believe this is a real motivation rather than a malicious stereotype. In my conversations with others, I’ve made a point of focusing on other concerns just avoid this difficulty.

But if they are going to provide us with an entire thread of trans women confirming that fetishistic ideation motivated them to transition? And it just so happens to accord with misogynistic stereotypes about female sexuality and is associated with early and frequent access to porn? Then AGP becomes a lot easier to talk about.

“These are men that see transitioning as a way to fulfill a sexual fetish. They want to embody womanhood because they so strongly fantasize about experiencing sex as a woman that they don’t want to identify as men anymore. It is an unhealthy form of escapism for them, and that is what is meant by autogynephilia. If you doubt me, read this Reddit thread. How many of the commenters do you believe are entitled to undress around naked women and girls.? It’s not fair to call me a bigot for saying hell no to this,right?”

"This is my brain trying to make sense of what I was feeling."

oh God. oh God. No, no it wasn't. You were just exposed to pornography way too young and it damaged your brain. It would have damaged your brain at any age because that's what it does, but a tweenager is going to be much more deeply damaged.

And growing up without understanding what women really are like was the nail in the coffin. This is the initial wound, the hole in the male conscience that allows these diseases to creep in and breed. If you don't understand what women are, if you don't see them as equal people, it's not going to bother you to see them objectified and objectify them yourself.

Yes, this is sad because it’s almost right. Children who are abused often grow up sexualizing the abuse, because their immature brains can’t contextualize it as abuse (or it’s a survival mechanism because you can’t handle coping with the fact that adults with power over you abuse you.) Fetishizing this nonsense and convincing themselves that it’s a healthy sexual expression is, in at least some cases, young adults and younger trying to make sense of horrifying porn to which they were exposed too young to contextualize it.

So why don’t we see trans men talking about forced masculinization fetishes?

The distressing part is that there’s an entire subreddit dedicated to a fetish for forcing TIFs into acting like tradwives.

Which would be met with cries of ‘literally murdering TW’ if it were flipped.

I’ve noticed that whenever someone posts on Reddit and asks if it’s a fetish because they got a boner while wearing women’s clothing, all the TIMs respond by saying it’s just “euphoria.”

By repeatedly referencing "gender euphoria", they only dig themselves into an ever-deepening hole. Anyone with a brain, including probably the TIMs themselves, can tell that that's a mere euphemism.

That is the response that I’m so used to seeing that I couldnt believe what I was reading in this Reddit thread. Now all of the sudden its okay for it to be a fetish? Its not a slanderous lie promulgated by TERFs?

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