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TRAs typically argue that transpeople have dysphoria which gives them painful mental discomfort from being misgendered or seeing themselves in the mirror as the "wrong" gender (this doesn't account for all TRAs but that's a different topic). In order to reduce supposed mental pain, we must avoid misgendering trans people.

What are your thoughts on this? Is gender dysphoria real? Does it justify making people use preferred pronouns? Is cosmetic surgery necessary for some to cure dysphoria (and thus considered healthcare)?

TRAs typically argue that transpeople have dysphoria which gives them painful mental discomfort from being misgendered or seeing themselves in the mirror as the "wrong" gender (this doesn't account for all TRAs but that's a different topic). In order to reduce supposed mental pain, we must avoid misgendering trans people. What are your thoughts on this? Is gender dysphoria real? Does it justify making people use preferred pronouns? Is cosmetic surgery necessary for some to cure dysphoria (and thus considered healthcare)?

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[–] mathlover 3 points (+3|-0)

Gender dysphoria is meaningless. Almost no one is satisfied with all the behaviors of the sex role stereotypes associated with their own sex.

For the young, gender non-conforming kids, they never get to be "dysphoric" at all. They just get abused and mutilated to make sure they don't turn out gay/lesbian. This is not a mental illness. This is child abuse in the name of homophobia and has been promulgated to take the focus off trans as a sexual paraphilia.

For girls (mostly, and some women) "dysphoria" is just justifiable hatred for the savage mysogyny of growing up and being female. Also not a mental illness. This is trying to escape lesbophobia and mysogyny. And it ignores and denies any psychological comorbidities (history of CSE, trauma, etc) that might factor into girls thinking that transing could ever help.

But for virtually all the males (from age puberty on up) "dysphoria" is the male socialized entitled frustration and narcissistic rage when they are prevented from getting their preferred sexual gratification. This is the vast majority of all trans in the US and probably also the UK and Australia. This is a sexual paraphilia (or kink or perversion) and by the time boys or men start to act upon it, it is irreversible and they are unsalvageable.

The first two groups need protection. The gnc kids need protection from abuse and the girls/women from mysogyny and lesbophobia.

The third group is already as overprotected as all other men. If they are shamed, ridiculed, or suffer other consequences for trying to force the rest of the world to help them live their fantasy, that is a good thing. Fifty + years ago, all that ridicule and such is why they kept their sexual proclivities private.

To find the incidence of actual gender identity disorder, you'd have to go back to before the word "gender" meant anything other than grammar categories in some languages. It would be an exceedingly rare finding in an infinitesimally small number of people. No one would have a problem protecting them. But their treatment and protection would not involve anyone else having to play make-believe.