Anyone else notice how TIFs often have very little information about their treatments?

Yep, this is exactly what lead me to find detrans lesbians and then radical feminism -- my therapist and other healthcare professionals who were so very encouraging for me to "just try it" wrt taking T could not describe the effects, side effects, or the health risks at all... It was very sus and my little paranoid anti-big pharma alarm bells were going off... Lead me down the rabbit hole online to find anyone talking about it seriously who wasn't a far-right lunatic homophobe... The rest is herstory.

I think the dishonesty and obnoxiously cheerful ignorance from the therapists and doctors is why plenty of transmasc women are one distrustful internet search away from becoming radfems.

I think it’s outright denial.

We are impulsive creatures, we want what we want and we want it now. We don’t think about long term consequences in a way that holds much weight.

I have endometriosis and adenomyosis and am overly familiar with hormone treatment options ranging from basic female hormones out to things like danazol, Lupron, visanne, etc. I KNOW first hand the damage some of these hormones have done to me and my fellow endo warriors.

Think I can tell a damned TRA anything about hormones I have been a lab test subject for for the last 25 years? No. We’re just dumb women.

They deny things like Lupron have any long term issues when it regularly fully sterilizes women.

Nope. I’m wrong. I have to be wrong. Because If im not wrong they have to face reality and these fucking people can’t handle reality.

I, a grown ass women, who is currently living in an unimaginable amount (and trust me when I say I’ve had enough pain to last me 25 lifetimes) of physical, mental, and emotional pain, will not touch fucking Lupron with a ten foot goddamned pole to help myself, maybe I might know more than you think or know!!!

It’s poison. It’s chemotherapy!!! It’s meant for prostate cancer, breast cancer. It doesn’t even help women with endometriosis!!! They just want to sell the damned pills to people, their health and outcomes be damned.

They get their Information from each other. It's a social contagion after all. They see their friends or the people on tiktok, youtube, twitter or tumblr being happy with their transition, at least on the surface, and they identify with these women. They too are not like other women, they in fact have no idea what it feels like to be a woman, not realizing that no woman "feels like a woman", we just are. Or they talk to their friends, who talk about being trans every goddamn day. You know how we all are astonished every time trans people only talk about being trans? Yeah, that not only means it's one of their only hobbies/identities. I noticed that recruits people with low self-esteem, makes them doubt their own sex. So in the end they all get their Information from their friends or Youtube/Influencer of choice. Now the top results on search engines don't even mention any of the side effects and list none of the actual research, only what they'd want to hear and make pharmacies tons of cash in the end.

The only time I saw TIFs consider research that goes against the narrative was from other trans people, and even then they cling to being trans.

Source: Saw it happen like this in friend groups.

There's a tendency towards being over trusting and naïve, especially towards people they perceive as being experts or parental figures. Is it accepted here that many TIFs are likely on the autistic spectrum? I'm not sure where I first came across that idea, but I definitely think it makes sense.

The young age and naiveness of many TIFs is a factor, but I've also been shocked by how little knowledge and curiosity about medical matters that older TIFs have displayed - like Scott Newgent, Buck Angel and TIFs who are behind Gender Dysphoria Alliance. Newgent and Angel got educated after they experienced disastrous health consequences, but the GDA women seem willfully naive to me. Lots of "learned helplessness" at work.

TIPs seem to evince the same kind of denial that occurs with drug and alcohol addiction, and the same kind of "take it all on faith"attitude that you see with religious and cult true believers.

Because most of them are so young. Their puberties seem to be the triggering event for a lot of them. 13 - 16 years-old are not really self aware at that age.

The transitions are something they can all focus on. Which is why their Trans timelines are important to them.

There isn't a lot of curiosity about their bodies, because they are trying to remove everything Female about their bodies including hysterectomy.

17 years ago this would have been girls diagnosed with body dysmorphia. They would have been self harmers with other underlying mental illness problems.

YUP. There’s a semi popular TIF on Instagram, Luke W Pearson , and she had literally no idea that you have drains in after top surgery (this is about a week before her surgery in an IG live), she had no idea why after months on hormones she was having severe pelvic cramping that meant she couldn’t stand up. Don’t even think she knows that she needs a hysterectomy at some stage.

She’s less than a year into transition, now has no nipples just scarred lopsided areolas, keloid raised scarring like shoelaces, she’s gained loads of weight, has big rings under her eyes and posts the worst trans “bro science” I’ve ever seen, seemingly having no idea of how hormones work whatsoever. She also calls herself a straight male (despite being an open lesbian and in a lesbian relationship), and seemingly hasn’t linked her dad calling her a “gay loser” with her need to try and be straight via trans conversion therapy, but I digress …..

TIFs are, to be fair, a LOT harder to clock as female after transition. Otherwise, yeah. The "informed" in "informed consent" is very iffy.

Everyone has made some good points here. I wonder though if there's something at play here about female socialization and medicine.

You see it elsewhere, I think, maybe not to the same extent. But I was shocked at how many women just go with what their OB (and later paediatrician) says - like, yes, let's induce a primagravida at 39 weeks for no reason except the ARRIVE trial! Oops, she wasn't ready and it turned into an "emergency" c section - phew, thank heavens the OB was there!! When they probably could have politely declined and had a non traumatic labour at 41+5 or whatever is average for a first timer, perfectly fine. But no, OB is handing down the Gospel and should be obeyed without question, and the fact that inducing a primagravida raises her risk of caesarean by 50% isn't widely known.

Honestly, I don't think the TIMs are much better in terms of researching these treatments before jumping into them. Its just more obviously damaging for the TIFs because hormones hit them MUCH harder than it does the boys who take estrogen

I wonder if their ignorance is an indicator of how destructive transition really is- those with the knowledge of what transition actually entails and results in opts NOT to transition, leaving mostly the ignorant and unwary willing to go through the process.