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Every inch of TRA is saying that women opt into all of the bullshit, violence, discrimination, and social conditioning we are forced into from a young age, even in wealthy countries.

Every inch of TRA is saying that women opt into all of the bullshit, violence, discrimination, and social conditioning we are forced into from a young age, even in wealthy countries.

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[–] Captain_AFAB 51 points (+51|-0)

This is precisely what peaked me.

I don't care what claims they make about themselves. You say you have magical ladyfeelings? Fine, you have magical ladyfeelings. I can't say you don't—qualia and all, y'know. But they don't stop there. They make the claim that we have these ladyfeelings, that all women do, and that that, indeed, is what defines us as a class.

And so they present me with a false choice: either I can deny that I personally have these feelings, declare that I am trans or nonbinary or what have you, and claim that misogyny is appropriate treatment for women but not for me; or I can pretend I do have these feelings, and so accept the claim that everything I have been subjected to for being female has been done so on the basis of my internal sense of who I am, rather than the physical reality of my female body, and has this been the correct and appropriate way to treat me.

So I reject that choice. I will neither accept that my abusers have taken my internal identity into account in their treatment of me, nor will I say that that is true for other women but not for me. The systemic abuse of women is inappropriate and wrong for all women, and is perpetuated against us quite regardless of how we feel about the matter. It is thus here where their ideology crumbles: the claims they make about us, rather than the claims they make about themselves.

[–] meesh2020k 36 points (+36|-0) Edited

And so they present me with a false choice: either I can deny that I personally have these feelings, declare that I am trans or nonbinary or what have you, and claim that misogyny is appropriate treatment for women but not for me

This is why I hate the term "cis" and consider it an insult. Trans ideology is women hating on steroids.

[–] Avadavat 3 points (+3|-0)

These are excellent points. I've spent (wasted?) so much time trying to debunk the claims they make about themselves, that I forgot to strengthen my arguments against the claims they make on my "behalf," on the "behalf" of all women.

[–] Moonpriestess 31 points (+31|-0) Edited

There's a reason the acronym 'TRA' resembles 'MRA':

'TERF' is the same as 'feminazi'.

'Cis privilege' has the same energy as 'pussypass', or 'Gynarchy'.

'Hearts not parts' admonishes women for riding the 'Cock Carousel' (or pussy carousel if it's aimed at lesbians)

'Cotton Ceiling' is 'creep shaming' or 'friendzoning' but with lesbians.

I could go on.

[–] Killer_Danish 25 points (+25|-0)

Lol, reminds me of my RedPill ex: Sometimes, he would accuse all Western women of being dirty sluts riding the cock carousel to the destruction of society, while other times, he would accuse all Western women of being frigid bitches who never give men a chance (also leading to humanity's destruction). To some, this i called "Schrodinger's woman": A woman who is both a giddy whore and a sexually frigid bitch at the same time (and neither will fuck you!)

[–] Carrots90 12 points (+12|-0)

These guys are insane. They get mad at women for being ’cheap’ and riding the cock carousel. But then want us to be less selective if it comes to them.

Then the get mad about the ‘pussy cartel’ of inflated prices for sexual acts. They say

“Sex is worth maybe $5 of women's time and effort. “

https://incels.wiki/w/Pussy_cartel

Wow.

It’s odd but this offended me the most out of their offensive pile ot 💩. There was a lot to choose from mind you.

[–] Killer_Danish 4 points (+4|-0)

That incel wiki link is fuuuuucked up. There are men out there who never have and never will experience love because they are so full of hate!

[–] wildpansy 21 points (+21|-0)

The oppression of women starts in the womb, in some places once they find out it's a girl they will abort. Then you have practices like female genital mutilation, child brides etc. At which point is the ladybrain supposed to kick in to justify all of this? Because if you only recognize people being discriminated based on their inner identity instead of their bodies you're saying these practices were done because the little girls had ladybrains.

Of course, acknowledging biological sex based oppression would mean it's not actually possible for us to have a "woke" society where everyone gets to choose for themselves how they're treated. That humans are animals and while our brains are advanced, we still have instincts that can't be erased no matter how much you educate people. This has been a thorny issue in feminism since the beginning, the most popular view was always that all of society can be molded into whatever people want and human behavior was completely separated from nature and our physical bodies in general. Noone ever acknowledged that biology should be considered as a factor in human behavior. So now it's come to a point where actual biologists get cancelled unless they accept this new nonsense of everything being a spectrum because it's not like humans are apes or anything, frogs can change sex so it's totally science! Until people make peace with the fact that humans are not magical or above nature this will keep getting worse.

[–] EvenMoreMinty 4 points (+4|-0)

We are barely a point away from being right back at "women have inferior brains and therefore cannot handle (x)".

Problem is, I've already seen some already claiming this, so we may already be there.

(Not referring to the alt-right lot which have always claimed it. I'm referring to how it's now starting to be brought up by wokesters)

[–] wildpansy 1 points (+1|-0)

That's the issue I have with both sides. Both sides are placing men as superior if they claim women have to have the same brain as men. Because it implies anything that would make us different would also make us inferior, as though males are these superior beings. Meanwhile you have males committing over 90% of rapes and homicides everywhere all over the world, but god forbid if women naturally have a temperament more suitable for life in a civilized society. Denying that it's possible to be different and have equal rights at the same time is what brought feminism to this point. Instead of arguing with the natural fallacy that used biology to justify oppression, the argument was accepted as valid and so the only possibility became that biology is meaningless. Now people don't even believe you're a feminist unless you insist people can be magically transformed into whatever sex their so-called identity wants to be.

[–] RawSienna 4 points (+4|-0)

Yeah, well they can fuck off with their religious dogma. They do not define women, because they are not us.